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Vaping around children?

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onemumtwocountries · 28/02/2017 09:02

What's the general consensus? Just curious to hear your opinions. I'm fighting a constant battle with DH at the moment and I wonder if I'm being unreasonable.

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hollinhurst84 · 03/03/2017 23:52

I do think there needs to be places where we can - at the minute the option is generally the smoking area but I don't want to be around smoke, that's the reason I quit! Also I live in the NW so it rains about 11 months of the year Grin
I have used mine in pubs and clubs before, discreetly rather than going outside and some allow it
Vaping in your own office I don't see a problem, in a shared office then it's a bit... Not anti social, but out of courtesy I wouldn't. Again, discreetly and with the odd puff as opposed to chain vaping with huge clouds, you can actually do it and not be noticed at all

PencilsInSpace · 03/03/2017 23:59

it is never acceptable to require vapers to share the same outdoor space with smokers. (PHE)

It's common sense really. There's no better way to fuck up someone's quit attempt than to send them to stand next to the smokers. Also, vapers have the same rights as any other non-smoker not to be subject to second-hand smoke.

Anyway, night all, I'll probably be back tomorrow when I'm supposed to be doing something else x

Applebite · 04/03/2017 00:05

Well yes, when you put that agenda above those who don't like it and don't want it to be thrust upon them. Why don't you put some of that energy into giving up vaping? Or don't you like being told what you have to accept??!

It's not keeping him off smoking. He can't stand actual cigarettes now. He says he just likes to vape. But it's one niggle. I moan at him when he doesn't go on the balcony to do it or when we are in the car. He moans at me for moaning. Then we talk about something else. He knows I hate it and he's reduced the nicotine. There are things I did that he hated - I was that terrible human being who didn't rinse cereal bowls so they had bits of cement on them by the evening, to give a silly example - and I've stopped those. It's called compromise!

Applebite · 04/03/2017 00:06

hollinhurst I think your approach to it seems perfect. Thoughtful and considerate.

kali110 · 04/03/2017 01:25

pencil love your posts. Good on you helping people.
Why don't you put some of that energy into giving up vaping? Or don't you like being told what you have to accept??!
Why should people stop vaping? Confused why? Just because some people don't like it?
Stand by what i said, smokers were a target and now it's vapers.
But guess what - for those of us who have never smoked or don't smoke, no vaping is better than vaping! Your health choices shouldn't be inflicted on anyone else, however certain you are that the research is accurate. It's a totally unnecessary risk for non-smokers and non-vapers, even if vaping really does turn out in the end to be risk-free after all.
Please don't talk for all none smokers. I don't give a toss if people want to vape.
Someone was vaping by me at weekend, instead of demanding she move Away from, i carried on with my evening Grin

Sallysadlyseescertainty · 04/03/2017 01:30

What on earth is wrong with vaping?

It's astounding some can put so much effort into some areas of morality and little effort into others.

Ginmakesitallok · 04/03/2017 08:32

I think the general hatred for and fear of vaping is a result of the fabulous job that has been done to (rightly imo) demonise smoking. A lot of people can't get past the feeling that inhaling and exhaling something which looks like smoke MUST be bad for you. Nicotine has been held up as a lethal drug (which it's not), and lots of people see the fight against smoking as a fight against nicotine.

Also, addiction is seen as something inherently bad, addicts are seen as weak and evil - irrespective of whether or not that addiction is harmful. In many folks eyes addiction must be treated, must be helped over their addiction.

Applebite · 04/03/2017 08:41

I don't demonise vaping at all so long as it's done in appropriate places. What I object to is being given no choice but to inhale it, which happens with my DP more often than I would like! And that's why I prefer pubs etc where it's not allowed. Because that's my choice. So the PP above who was quite happy to inhale it - good for her, but she may or may not have felt differently if she had to live/work with it every day.

Vapers who are considerate towards others, great, do whatever you like with your own body, but don't get cross because others don't want to do it as a by product of your choices!

QueenOfTheCatBastards · 04/03/2017 08:44

Sally you ask what's wrong with vaping? For me, it's that it is once more normalising acts relating to smoking. That's not a good thing, no matter how much it is dressed up and how much hysteria is thrown at it from both sides.

Nothing that makes smoking look or sound normal should be celebrated, which is why I think all electronic smoking devices should be legislated against in the same way that standard cigarettes are, and subjected to the same restrictions.

Jins · 04/03/2017 09:11

Legislation is in place already to limit the nicotine content of liquids and reduce the volume that can be sold. That starts in earnest in May. I'm glad that testing is required now for everyone's sakes.

I'm vaping with the full support of my family and I'm so pleased to have it. Giving up cigs would have been much harder if they'd objected to me vaping as well. As it is they are all delighted and I'm grateful

hollinhurst84 · 04/03/2017 09:16

Queen - but vaping is safer and better than smoking. If you make it exactly the same, you're not encouraging people to swap, and people will think well why should I?
I could think that, if I have to stand in the smokers area anyway, why bother swapping to vaping?
Demonising it and regulating it beyond belief will kill it, and that kills people. It's proven that vaping saves lives by stopping people smoking

PencilsInSpace · 04/03/2017 09:42

QueenOfTheCatBastards can you talk me through this 'normalisation' thing?

Smoking rates are continuing to fall. Among children, smoking rates are falling faster than ever. Researchers have been able to find almost no-one (including children) who vapes regularly who was not first a smoker. Even rarer are people who, having never smoked, take up vaping and then move on to lit tobacco.

Vaping 'normalises' vaping, not smoking. It's providing a gateway out of smoking for millions of people.

Action on Smoking and Health:
Are elecronic cigarettes a gateway to smoking?
It has been hypothesised that electronic cigarettes could act as a ‘gateway’ to smoking tobacco among children and to the renormalisation’ of smoking. However, current evidence suggests this phenomenon is not occurring, at least in Great Britain. In fact, since electronic cigarettes have been on the market, smoking prevalence has declined among children. Whilst some never-smokers are experimenting with electronic cigarettes, regular use is rare among children and current electronic cigarette use is confined almost entirely to those who have already tried smoking.

Derek Yach (the guy who set up WHO Framework Convention on Tobacco Control): The benefits of e-cigs in helping smokers quit or cut down should be weighed against the danger of either recruiting new smokers or creating e-cig addicts. So far, there is no evidence that either of these things is happening. Studies in both Britain and America suggest that, as e-cig use increases, youth cigarette consumption declines.

Royal College of Physicians: There are concerns that e-cigarettes will increase tobacco smoking by renormalising the act of smoking, acting as a gateway to smoking in young people, and being used for temporary, not permanent, abstinence from smoking. However, the available evidence to date indicates that e-cigarettes are being used almost exclusively as safer alternatives to smoked tobacco, by confirmed smokers who are trying to reduce harm to themselves or others from smoking, or to quit smoking completely.

Royal College of General Practitioners: 1. Entry into smoking: Use among children is rare, and in the small number who do use ENDSs, most who currently smoke are ex-smokers. Only 4% of “never smoker” children in Great Britain had tried ENDS, and regular use was only confined to those who smoked. New regulations around age of sale and restrictions on advertising are likely to reduce what is already an issue of low concern. Overall youth smoking has fallen from 13% in 1996 to 3% in 2014.

Cancer Research UK: Experimentation with e-cigarettes in ‘never smokers’ remains low and coincides with the continuing decline in youth smoking. Arguments about renormalisation and e-cigarettes being a gateway to taking up smoking are not based on evidence.

... for example.

Kikikaakaa · 04/03/2017 10:45

In my own experience, having actually got children of teenage age (and not babies which I see many anti vapers on this thread have) the feedback from them is that a lot of teenagers in school are experimenting with weed flavoured vape, and then graduate to weed. Usually boys. DD1 is aware of boys in her year who smoke weed and says they boast about it or smell of it. Vaping isn't really a 'cool' thing although kids have messed about with it - her reports. I would say kids messing about with vapes is probably normal the way they mess about with a lot of thing, but it doesn't seem to have the powerful addiction like smoking cigarettes does. So they might experiment with it but I cannot be convinced it's a gateway.

I have no idea how children can afford packs of cigarettes, they are so expensive. But teens/people who want to smoke cannabis will do so and always have done so, and they aren't smoking it to smoke nicotine, they are smoking it to get high.

CazzaT1 · 09/03/2017 22:43

I am furious that my partner vapes around my kids, even worse he vapes constantly, even in my boys bedroom when they are settling to sleep, he seems to thinkit is ok , no harm to them at all! 😐

Sallystyle · 09/03/2017 22:44

He's right. There is no harm to them.

fulloffunreally · 09/03/2017 23:31

No harm at all.

Prove that there is!

LilQueenie · 09/03/2017 23:35

I hate it and those who do are ignorant. we all have the right to clean air.

hollinhurst84 · 09/03/2017 23:38

I vape in public, and no I'm not ignorant. Have you even read the thread and links?

Orangebird69 · 10/03/2017 07:01

lilqueenie the irony in your post... almost funny.

Sallystyle · 10/03/2017 07:48

I hate it and those who do are ignorant. we all have the right to clean air.

Grin Grin please tell me you don't drive?

I don't need to prove it isn't harmful to bystanders because you could just read the links. I am pretty sure it is in there somewhere.

Applebite · 10/03/2017 09:36

And if the links are one day proven wrong? Smoking was once promoted as being healthy. Pregnant women were once prescribed thalidomide. Look at the low carb/high fat v high carb/low fat debate that's going on now. Medical advice changes, that's the point.

To say that you think it's risk free and you want to vape is fine, knock yourself out. But to say that other people should just accept what THEY perceive as a health risk, esp for their kids, just because YOU think it's fine or because other things may also be unhealthy is a v self centred attitude.

DancingDragon · 10/03/2017 09:42

I don't have a problem with it. Completely different from smoking.

Sallystyle · 10/03/2017 12:57

VG
PG
Flavouring

What do you think those ingredients can do to bystanders?

I don't care if it's a self centred argument. I will respect what people want me to do in their house. I wouldn't vape around my friend's children in my house if they asked me not to but I'm not going to stop vaping walking down the street.

Sallystyle · 10/03/2017 12:57

attitude, not argument.

Jins · 10/03/2017 14:50

I've read a lot about vaping over the last few months because it's good to be informed and the evidence doesn't really stack up for significant harm from second hand vaping. I still prefer to vape away from other people though.

It doesnt matter what the ingredients are - some will always perceive a health risk in vaping and disbelieve any report that doesn't say what they want to hear. There's over 2 million vapers in the UK that now aren't blowing smoke around which is definitely harmful.

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