Vaping around children?

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What's the general consensus? Just curious to hear your opinions. I'm fighting a constant battle with DH at the moment and I wonder if I'm being unreasonable.

Pencil, thanks. I didn't anywhere say I was proud. Calm down Iwasjustabouttosaythat.

It's better than smoking. I'm neither proud or ashamed of vaping. It is what it is. A mix of vg and pg with a touch of menthol. Unclutch your pearls, pull that judgey wedgie out of your clenched arse and take your tin foil hat off. You'll be much happier for it.

Vaping is no different from smoking. It's still a nicotine addiction no matter what way it is marketed. I was both delighted and relieved on a recent flight when they announced both smoking and Vaping are prohibited on board.

Vaping should be treated the same as smoking. Its not about wearing a tin foil hat or clutching pearls; its just not a habit you want to introduce to your kids. Its supposed to be a way out of smoking cigarettes.
There are other ways to quit smoking. If you havent tried Alan Carrs Easiway to Quit you can get it for a couple of quid off Amazon.

I have no problem with people vaping around DD. The big cloud ones are a bit irritating, but it's only that the sweet smells aren't to my personal taste.
In terms of research, I'd trust an article from a reputable science journal over The Telegraph any day of the week.

Yes, there's nicotine. And that's the only similarity Tisme - unless vapers use a 0% nicotine mix. So then its fuck all like smoking. In the latter case, it's less like smoking than aubergines or tomatoes.

my dp vapes in front of the children and I dont really care. Im just so grateful he stopped smoking as it was really giving him so many health problems, which stopped when he stopped smoking.Vaping doesnt seem to give him any issues whatsoever

Vaping is no different from smoking. It's still a nicotine addiction no matter what way it is marketed

What rubbish. The nicotine in cigarettes isn't what stinks or kills you or harms everyone around you.

Yes, if you have liquid containing nicotine, you'll still be addicted to it. But without all the other nasties.

Not liking vaping is fine. Maintaining that it's 'the same' as smoking, contrary to all medical research on it so far is just stupid.

Nicotine is like caffeine. It's an addictive stimulant. But I don't see any of you coffee drinkers setting a good awareness around caffeine intake to your kids or do you? Produces similar side effects, similar addiction and similar withdrawal.
Nicotine is all I need in my life, because I am addicted to it. I don't like caffeine to be fair, it makes me feel far worse. I've tried many of the other replacement products but it is like people drinking a disgusting coffee that gives you a rash or bad dreams. Vaping is replacing the nicotine in the most pleasant way.
I will one day give up my vaping but I can't actually equate it to smoking anymore, because they are SO DIFFERENT.

Orangebird69 For what it's worth (and so you're not alone) I vaped whilst pregnant, I'm neither proud or nonchalant about it too. I also drank coffee and tea, not loads but I did and had the very occasional small glass of wine!

I haven't smoked for 5 years but vaped instead. I have tried a cigarette (not whilst pregnant, not around my children) precisely twice, when pissed tipsy and only because my battery had died and I had no juice!

Anyways, the midwife had no concerns at all with vaping and didn't go beyond asking if I had smoked. I did the breath test thingy and it came back as 0, as if I had never smoked in my life. When I was smoking years ago, I smoked 20-25 a week ish so not a lot in the grand scheme but did so for a good 10 years. Didn't whilst pregnant and didn't vape with previous pregnancies because they just weren't available. I have no idea how I just gave up without any kind of cessation aid but I did.

I do and have vaped in the same room as my kids, when we are in the same room, but it isn't plumes of vapour they take no interest in it at all. It isn't all the time either.

Smelly, could've written that post almost. I honestly couldn't give a monkeys about what others think of my vaping. I've also vaped and had a glass of wine whilst actually breastfeeding (still bfing now at 16mo - surely that will earn me a few points from the sanctimommy/vapehaters?). I'm sure some pp's head will spontaneously combust with rage/sanctimony when they read that. Oh well! Cheers!

16 months!! Yeah you definitely get an A* for that! I am breastfeeding and tried a wine, managed some sips but just think ahead I'll too be too tired if I had more haha
It's each to their own, personal choice and balance. I'm sure if we all just sit and think most people are sensible when it comes to risk assessment of yourself and children there really is no need to jump down each others throats unless it's glaringly obvious there is neglect!

Vaping is different from smoking. Of course it's still a nicotine addiction but that's like saying wearing a nicotine patch means you're a smoker or using one of the nicotine inhalers means you're smoking

DJKKSlider those links say a lot more about your news source than they do about vaping. I see you have one about 'popcorn lung' in there. That truly is the turd that won't flush

In 2015, Public Health England published a big report which looked at all the evidence to date on vaping and concluded that it's at least 95% safer than smoking and poses no discernible risk to bystanders. A big part of the reason they produced this report is because they were alarmed that a growing number of people, including current smokers, wrongly thought that vaping was as dangerous, or even more dangerous, than smoking. Largely as a result of bullshit 'studies' and alarmist press articles.

This is a big C&P but it's worth reading in its entirety:

E-cigarettes: a developing public health consensus

Joint statement on e-cigarettes by Public Health England and other UK public health organisations

Since 2000, smoking among adults in England has fallen by one third and among children by two thirds. Yet almost one in five adults continue to smoke, with higher rates in the more deprived communities meaning that they bear the majority of the harm caused. There is a strong public health consensus on tobacco control, embodied in the landmark report Smoking Still Kills.

We all agree that e-cigarettes are significantly less harmful than smoking. One in two lifelong smokers dies from their addiction. All the evidence suggests that the health risks posed by e-cigarettes are relatively small by comparison but we must continue to study the long-term effects.

And yet, millions of smokers have the impression that e-cigarettes are at least as harmful as tobacco. Over 1.3 million UK e-cigarette users have completely stopped smoking and almost 1.4 million others continue to smoke. We have a responsibility to provide clear information on the evidence we have, to encourage complete smoking cessation and help prevent relapse to smoking.

The public health opportunity is in helping smokers to quit, so we may encourage smokers to try vaping but we certainly encourage vapers to stop smoking tobacco completely.

We know that e-cigarettes are the most popular quitting tool in the country with more than 10 times as many people using them than using local stop smoking services. However, we also know that using local stop smoking services is by far the most effective way to quit.

The current national evidence is that in the UK regular e-cigarette among youth use is almost exclusively confined to those young people who have already smoked, and youth smoking prevalence is continuing to fall. This is an area that we will continue to research and keep under closest surveillance. Since October 2015, regulations to protect children make it an offence to sell e-cigarettes to anyone under 18 or to buy e-cigarettes for them and the Tobacco and Related Products Regulations 2016 ban print and broadcast advertising of e-cigarettes as part of an extensive range of regulations.

We should not forget what is important here. We know that smoking is the number one killer in England and we have a public health responsibility to provide smokers with the information and the tools to help them quit smoking completely and forever.

We share a commitment to provide up-to-date information on the emerging evidence on e-cigarettes, as shown in PHE’s review, which is the third in this area. This commitment drove PHE and Cancer Research UK to set up the UK E-cigarette Research Forum and the Royal College of Physicians to publish Nicotine without smoke, honouring our longstanding promise to monitor and share the evidence, providing clear messages to the public.

There is no circumstance in which it is better for a smoker to continue smoking – a habit that kills one in every two and harms many others, costing the NHS and society billions every year. We will continue to share what we know and address what we don’t yet know, to ensure clear, consistent messages for the public and health professionals.

This statement is signed by:

Public Health England
Action on Smoking and Health
Association of Directors of Public Health
British Lung Foundation
Cancer Research UK
Faculty of Public Health
Fresh North East
Healthier Futures
Public Health Action
Royal College of Physicians
Royal Society for Public Health
UK Centre for Tobacco and Alcohol Studies
UK Health Forum

So for those who actually know fuck all about vaping, who have never read a single study on the subject but can google a scary headline, or who think there has been 'no research' (WTF?) please think before you post your ill-informed knee-jerk shite. You are doing harm, just as much as the anti vaxxers. You are spreading misinformation that harms people's health.

Those of you saying vaping should be treated the same as smoking - have you any idea why we have smoke-free laws? (hint: the answer is not 'because it annoys me').

All the evidence suggests that the health risks posed by e-cigarettes are relatively small by comparison but we must continue to study the long-term effects.

How long were cigarettes around before they were found to actually be very danrous? How long were theyrescribed to people to treat anxiety and other such illnesses? 100 years? 1000? 5000?
How long have ecigs been around?
How many studies have been done looking at the effects of vaping over the course of 10 years? 15 years? 20 years?

Before you start criticising abouteople not having facts why can't you understand that no one knows just how dangerous vaping is and they won't fully know for many many years.

Let's see how gleefully you embrace gaping if they find out it causes serious heart disease 15 years time.

Even if it causes heart disease, the following is possibly relevant:

1. You don't vape as much as you smoke. Once you light a cig you need to smoke it to the end, with a vape you just push a button and take a puff or 2. So someone who might have smoked 20 fags a day probably inhales at least 70% less vape than they would toxic cigarette smoke.

This is overall a dramatic reduction and lessens exposure

1. Cigarettes are combined with a host of multiple very toxic chemicals. Vape liquid may have 2 that the risks are unproven. They don't have 20 different chemicals in them.

Again, reduced risks. 2? Vs 20+

1. Nicotine replacement products such as patches and gum have a high fail rate. They do not work long term and many ex smokers go back to smoking. With vaping you have much much less urges to smoke because not only are you getting the nicotine, you are fulfilling the psychological urge that mimics smoking. A lot of vapers do not feel the urge to return to cigarettes because the product works in a replacement

Again, this lowers risk of going back to smoking, and overall risks of smoking.

1. Vaping is treated like smoking. You can't vape in almost all places you can't smoke. You can smoke in your own home and outside in a lot of public areas, such as the street. I don't understand how all these people are being vaped all over when you can't vape indoors in any place I know apart from my village pub, or outside Tesco e.g. - where people still smoke cigarettes, that absolutely stinks and linger and can burn you.

1. Some batteries have been reported as exploding but I can imagine house fires will reduce once people do not smoke in their houses because they vape. This is also safer.

I can go on?

Please do go on Kik

I'm reading this and the report from The world health organization, its interesting.

If anyone's interested its here, top link to a PDF:

www.who.int/tobacco/communications/statements/eletronic_cigarettes/en/

I am aware of the possible risks but I am intelligent enough to be able to offset them by the known risk and make an informed choice about whether I want to vape or smoke. And I have chosen vape. I knew all along smoking was dangerous but I still did it until I tried vaping and realised the benefits. I'm fitter and healthier and have more money. So I feel more confident I have replaced one addiction with a less terrible one, that will be easier to give up, and it has been a transition between smoking and no smoking - I will get there in my own time.

If you don't like vaping then don't vape.
But don't treat people like they are as thick as shit with endless links when we are quite aware of the risks involved

That's an old one, DJKKSlider, WHO have produced a far worse report since. UKTAS had quite a lot to say about it. The way WHO is treating ecigs is absolutely shocking. We are so lucky in the UK that public health gets it (though it took a while). In less developed countries that don't have much of a public health system, they are reliant on WHO guidance. These are the countries where smoking rates are still increasing.

Vaping should be treated the same as smoking. Its not about wearing a tin foil hat or clutching pearls; its just not a habit you want to introduce to your kids. Its supposed to be a way out of smoking cigarettes.

Supposed to be? No, it isn't supposed to be a way out of smoking. Some people use it for that and others just swap over with no plans of stopping the vape. You don't get to tell people what they are supposed to use it for.

I hope you don't 'introduce' your kids to alcohol by having a glass of wine around them, or caffeine when you have a coffee. Or anything adults do that children shouldn't do.

It is treated the same as smoking where I live. I can't vape in coffee shops, in malls or pubs. It shouldn't be treated the same as smoking though because it isn't smoking. Unfortunately too many people got all precious about the sweet smell and smokers were pissed off they didn't get to smoke in the pub so landlords here banned people from vaping for that reason. It's just not the same as smoking. If people can't handle smell from vape fuck knows how they manage walking past someone with perfume on. Poor little sensitive flowers! I often wonder how some MNers cope, they can't handle vapour, sweet smells, perfume, cigarettes and so on.

There's a few that walknto school with their kids in a morning and they let out huge clouds of sickly smoke. Other people look at each other and waft their noses etc but the vapers seem to not give a shit.

This inconsiderate cunt (as you so nicely put it) would have a giggle to myself if people were wafting their noses because they had to smell something sweet which disappears outside in seconds. I wonder how many of these parents were wearing perfume?

U2 - I have a fave pub and ordered some food, said oh I'm going outside with my < waves e cig at manager >
He did a face and went, "nah, it's fine, sit yourself down"
Gin and vape and inside a pub - perfect!

That would be lovely, I miss vaping in a pub.

I got told I couldn't vape outside a coffee shop today, which didn't make sense as it was a few tables and chairs and if you took a few steps out you would be on the street where people were smoking. I could smell people smoking from my table.

That's totally bizarre!

Hi all, I've only just seen all these replies - thought the thread had died yesterday!

DH is the vaper. We have a baby. He always takes himself off to vape but the other day he had a puff just before getting in the car and the smell bothered me. DS was in the back of the car and I started a lecture as to how irresponsible it is. He apologised and agreed. I then felt bad for doing that as I have no evidence - have done some research but I get the impression that we can't really know for certain.

Thanks for all the input!