Transing a 4 year old

[ShadowChancellor]

On Monday, all the children at my kids school were taught about being transgender because the parent of a reception kid have decided that X is actually Y and are now sending their kid in as the opposite sex and have changed their name.

According to my kid they were shown a video that was all about how if you were a boy and liked girl things and girl clothes you were a girl and it was all very positive.

No parents were told before this happened. We only found out when the kids came out of school on Monday and told us.

AIBU to a) think that transing a kid at 4 years old is more to do with the parents not liking the fact that their kid prefers girls toys to boys toys and b) that the other parents should've been told before they showed our kids this film and promoted it all in school.

Its caused a lot of confusion with the younger kids who think you can change whether you are a boy or girl just by wishing it and didn't mention at all all of the problems that it can cause.

Can I ask a question about puberty blockers? I get from the name it stops puberty but does this mean the child is sterilised permantly meaning he/she can never have children should they wish to?

And is that fully openly discussed with a CHILD and her/his parents and someone has to consent for this to be given/taken?

EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans. Please send that email. Talk about mixed bloody messages.

cub

I don't think there have been many long term studies of the affects of puberty blockers. But in and of themselves I don't think they cause sterilisation. They cause puberty to be halted. The theory being that it gives the child time to think before they make a decision. But if they are halting maturity, God knows how they will ever be able to make a decision.

The other dangerous part is that once a child starts to transition socially, with the new clothes, the new name and telling everybody, it becomes very difficult to go backwards, to admit they were completely wrong.

So a very high percentage (all?) of those on puberty blockers then go on to take cross sex hormones which do lead to sterility.

It hugely flies in the face of the statistics that say if you leave a child alone 90% of them will grow out of it. Because the converse seems to be true, if you don't leave them alone they will be stuck on an inevitable path of life long drugs and sterility.

Can I ask a question about puberty blockers? I get from the name it stops puberty but does this mean the child is sterilised permantly meaning he/she can never have children should they wish to?

From what I understand, sterilization only happens once the cross sex hormones are given. Which happens in 100% of cases where puberty blockers were used :/

I can't do it tonight Datun, but tomorrow, definitely. If I get a reply (as opposed to just an acknowledgment) I'll let you know.

I understand that puberty blockers sterilize children by halting the process by which the gametes - the eggs and sperm - mature. Think about it: if a girl never goes through puberty she will never get her period and her reproductive system will never mature. She'll be infertile.

There's also the concern that puberty isn't just about sexual maturity, it's about brain development. The process by which a child's thinking becomes adult is, at least partially, the work of puberty on the brain. Puberty causes massive changes in the brain. Don't go through puberty, skip that step. It's hugely concerning.

Puberty blockers have a mass of very concerning side effects. Lupron was developed as a treatment for prostate cancer. It is just as toxic as other cancer treatments. The makers do not promote it for the treatment of trans kids, because they don't have the research data to support this. So children are being prescribed something that isn't even recommended for them. Just thinking about that tells you there's something very wrong going on here.

I understand that puberty blockers sterilize children by halting the process by which the gametes - the eggs and sperm - mature. Think about it: if a girl never goes through puberty she will never get her period and her reproductive system will never mature. She'll be infertile.

Yes, but surely, if puberty blockers are stopped (which sadly doesnt happen at all...) then puberty would happen normally, albeit a bit later?

This stuff is all kinds of fucked up though. Using cancer drugs to fuck up childrens bodies/brains before they are even fully mature. Its sick

It might not be reversible past a certain age, even if the blockers are stopped? It doesn't sound feasible that puberty could be delayed indefinitely?

But puberty blockers are almost never stopped. 80% of trans-presenting children who don't have blockers become reconciled to their sex as their brains and bodies develop during puberty. Children on puberty blockers don't have that opportunity and almost all go on to cross-sex hormones.

Floggingmolly

I know what happens if you take them for 50 years??

But it's quite clear that statistically anyone on puberty blockers tends to go onto cross sex hormones. The figure quoted has indeed been 100%.

prawn

So the productive organs dont grow properly and the puberty blockers are stopped at the same time as the cross sex hormones are started?

So with a boy who wants to be a girl, what do they invert to make him a vagina?

Gawd.

Link from the Endocrine Society

www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/when-transgender-kids-transition-medical-risks-are-both-known-and-unknown/

Where they really seem to be treating children as guinea pigs and some kind of fascinating biological experiment.

This saying they have no clue...

The bottom line is we don’t really know how sex hormones impact any adolescent’s brain development,”

Followed by this assurance that as long as everyone agrees, they will start at age 13.

more and more children are starting hormones at 13 or 14 once their doctors, therapists and families have agreed that they are mentally and emotionally prepared.

And this article which seems to suggest that a great many gay children present initially as gender non conforming

www.researchgate.net/publication/313890859_Childhood_Gender-Typed_Behavior_and_Adolescent_Sexual_Orientation_A_Longitudinal_Population-Based_Study

so refusing to allow them to traverse through puberty and mature into homosexuality really IS gay eugenics. A whole new version of Gay conversion therapy, whilst using the gay community's horrific history to do it. Literal slap in the face

Datun, if a boy never goes through puberty his penis will not mature and there won't be enough tissue to invert to create a neovagina. Doctors are going to use other tissue instead. They already do this when creating a replica penis for transmen, though considering the results replica is probably too strong a word.

The first neovaginas were, I think, created out of a section of bowel, and I guess they might revert to that.

EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans I would be happy to support a child centered campaign.

nettle

Which dovetails very nicely with several other studies saying the same thing.

Every de-transition story I have read from a girl who identified as a boy turned out that she was gay.

prawn

So how does it work if you are using a piece of skin from another part of your body, in terms of still being able to be aroused?

It sounds incredibly complicated to me.

And does the replica penis act like a normal penis?

If every time school children got a lecture on inclusivity and how to spot if you are trans, they showed some post op pics, instead of beautifully androgynous people in photo shoots, the reaction would be entirely different. The reality is entirely different.

wanking 100% of children who take puberty blockers go on to take cross sex hormones. Cross sex hormones cause irreversible sterilization

www.statnews.com/2017/02/02/lupron-puberty-children-health-problems/

My experience is that children tend to be given the lovely fluffy version of what will happen.

'A few pills, a little injection every now and then, a couple of operations, and then you will be the sex you wish'.

I have taken the route of being totally honest, I've found videos of the surgery and datun and prawn have very kindly sent me very useful links to show my child too.

My child is under no illusions of how hard this path will be if this is where they end up eventually.

A lot of parents are being led by the experts, not realising that the experts are being led by the transactivists agenda for fear of being struck off.

Mermaids is the site that most parents stumble across when their child expresses feeling this way and that, in my opinion, is the start of the slippery slope there. It's a dangerous site and not the support site that it sells itself as.

Datun, I've googled pictures of phalloplasty surgery and I'd have to say it looks barbaric. The person is left with massive scarring to the site where the skin is taken from (either forearm or thigh). There is also the risk of post op complications, infection etc, but also the risk of problems with continence, both urinary and faecal. There's a tumblr called truth about transition and the stories from the young people on there are just harrowing tbh. It makes me so sad that young women hate their bodies so much that they think this is a reasonable thing to do. The surgeons who are doing it should be struck off imo.

Datun I'm no expert. But here's an article on HuffPo which gives details. Don't Google the pictures. They're upsetting.

Sorry, that's just for transmen. Here's an article describing how a neovagina is created using part of the bowel from the snappily named Atlas of Pelvic Surgery.

CAN WE PLEASE NOT CALL THEM NEOVAGINAS?!

IT IS NOT A VAGINA OF ANY KIND

Neovagina is the word used by surgeons. It's not a vagina any more than a transwoman is a woman but neovagina is the correct term. What else would you like to call it, Anna?

Yes it's very sad. I also think my god what was your life like before that you think having an illeostomy (sp?) and being incontinent for a year is an improvement? It seems to me that there must be some deep psychological trauma present for someone to want to do that to themself. I can't help thinking that past sexual abuse must be a big part of this whole trans thing, sadly.