Transing a 4 year old

[ShadowChancellor]

On Monday, all the children at my kids school were taught about being transgender because the parent of a reception kid have decided that X is actually Y and are now sending their kid in as the opposite sex and have changed their name.

According to my kid they were shown a video that was all about how if you were a boy and liked girl things and girl clothes you were a girl and it was all very positive.

No parents were told before this happened. We only found out when the kids came out of school on Monday and told us.

AIBU to a) think that transing a kid at 4 years old is more to do with the parents not liking the fact that their kid prefers girls toys to boys toys and b) that the other parents should've been told before they showed our kids this film and promoted it all in school.

Its caused a lot of confusion with the younger kids who think you can change whether you are a boy or girl just by wishing it and didn't mention at all all of the problems that it can cause.

Me too

God. I'm seeing too many similarities to Hitler Youth here.

The indoctrination of young children, teenagers opposing their parents view and calling them bigoted, party-line guidelines given out across the board, all of it state sanctioned.

My Mum said exactly the same thing when I explained it to her, I hadn't noticed the connection, but I think you both might be right.

That's daft, Venus. I can't see that's true. Because the videos everyone has seen of Stefonknee - there are 3 or 4 - were all made at the instigation of Stefonknee! Not only made with Stefonknee's consent but made and displayed on trans activist websites before Stefonknee hit the front pages.

The Reddit person's talking as if the videos were made without Stefonknee's knowledge or approval. Reactions to the videos might not be what Stefonknee had expected, but that's absolutely no one's fault but Stefonknee's. Having read what Stefonknee's family have been through, I think a brush with reality is just what was needed.

I expect that person thinks that Stefonknee is "no true trans" really and just something that evil cis bigots choose to draw attention to,

Yeah, the no true trans who took a lead role in Toronto Pride. Honestly, you couldn't make it up.

Look at these charming badges being sold legally on Esty despite being reported. "Die cis scum" which translates to Die Female Scum and "Terf Stomper" It's not acceptable it's open hate crime against women and Esty thinks its acceptable. Have you seen badges saying "Die trans scum". Of couse not that would be totally wrong and there would quite rightly be national outrage. We can't allow this can we. Please report on Etsy. It's time all women stood by the supposed Terfs on this issue to shut down the open and blatant hate crime and bullying. www.etsy.com/uk/listing/291536931/trans-pride-125-set-of-4-pins-activists?ref=hp_rv

"I'm dreading the day when I'll be the odd one out for not changing my child's gender for them"

This is where fear overtakes reality, facts and sensible discussion. Its as if this isnt less than 1% of the population of the UK and is, in fact, a thing that is happening in every class room, every school, every workplace. Yes, its happening more. Yes, sections of the media are doing its nut in about it. But the numbers are still very small. A lot of the chat here seems to be about the fear of something rather than the reality of it. Transactivism is relatively young and there are a lot of issues that need to be addressed for it to stop being harmful in places. But there are not hordes of trans people waiting to get into womens bathrooms and showers. And there are far far far far fewer trans people wanting to get into womens bathrooms to commit sexual crimes.

Scottish, so why do laws and ideologies have to be changed for such a tiny minority?

why do laws and ideologies have to be changed for such a tiny minority?

Because there is a current way of thinking that minority = virtuous and repressed and need protecting and promoting. This way of thinking rejects the idea that any minority may have elements who are damaging or harmful to others and classes anybody who thinks they do as phobic oppressors. It's exactly because it's a minority this is happening. It's tyranny of the minority.

scottish no I think that could legitimately happen, that parents come under pressure to transition their children, if social services and teachers see that as being the best course of action. People are right to be worried.
When my child was gender non conforming I allowed him to do what he wanted at home, outside the home I made him wear boys clothes. That was to protect him from bullying.I would do exactly the same thing today, but that would be to protect him from 'authorities' who thought they know better than me about whats best for my child. But then I'm an old school parent who is actually a parent not a buddy.
As for your last sentence there is a whole long list of sex offenders who have done that. Whether they are truly trans or not is irrelevant, or at least will be if self ID becomes the norm.

I think someone else posted, but here's the info re bottom surgery

www.advocate.com/politics/transgender/2014/03/13/watch-debunking-surgery-top-priority-trans-people-myth

Oh yeah, just been lolling at the link about Chris Cuomo's tweet. He really walked into that one, didn't he? It's good to see some of the useful idiots being exposed and called out for what they are.

Lol, just found another one. More stupidity exposed on American TV.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=7tgeTVmUCVQ

Discussion and phone in on transkids on radio 5 live right now www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/bbc_radio_five_live

scissor those badges are awful..

I just read an article on buzzfeed that nearly made me weep and its so hard as I cant talk about it real life without being seen as some ultra right crazy woman!

www.buzzfeed.com/susiearmitage/heres-what-its-like-to-have-your-period-when-youre-trans?utm_term=.hhmpBmxGY#.ppLJvGMzd

That's a heartbreaking, Nottingham. The level of self-hatred on show. I guess it's dysphoria, but it reads more like a rejection of their sex than embracing the other, iyswim.

I just listened to the radio 5 transkids phone in. I found it really worrying that some of the parents are complaining about having to wait for puberty blockers to be prescribed until the the Tavistock Clinic complete their psychological assessments.

One of the mums stated that the hormone blockers had no side effects, which wasn't really corrected until they spoke to the mum at the end of the show. But she was cut short.

The show also failed to address why there has been such a sharp rise in referrals. To go from 700 a year to 1400 in such a short space of time and kids as young as 3 years old being referred! WTF?!?

scissorcisters I'm on Etsy, reported those badges ages ago, and < crickets >. Nothing happened, they don't care.

... but should say that shouldn't stop us all for reporting them again and again.

Thank you for the link GirlScout good to hear a very measured and considered discussion from Dr Polly Carmichael, although think it would make for a more balanced debate if a parent from for example a detransitioned and/or desisted young person in order to provide a fuller and broader picture. I also think Dr Polly Carmichael is right that more questions need to be asked with regard to the sharp increase in referrals to the service and the underlying reasons for this. There is evidently a huge research opportunity to investigate why so many young people feel they are dysphoric - could there for example be links to environmental/social/psychological factors? It is troubling though to hear the "born in the wrong body" "boy/girl toys" and "suicide" rhetoric - it is almost like the parents/advocates are reading from a script. It also seems that the Mermaids person was trying very hard to undermine Dr Polly Carmichael balanced approach, very glad Polly talked about ethical and longer term implications, thoughtful, considered and the need to "tread carefully". No published research hmmm....

I'd be furious.

Not on at all.

I think anyone who uncritically accepts the Mermaids line should read Fish's articulate posts explaining the problems she and her child have faced in getting help through the NHS and her experience with Mermaids.

trouble is, the psychotherapists are not allowed to talk about any other possibility than supporting the child to be trans, from the moment the words come out of the childs mouth. This is because, yet again, they have stolen the LGB banner and are running with the whole 'conversion therapy' issue.

Everyone knows how terrible conversion therapy was, and they are terrified to make the same mistake again.

Aparantly offing any other solution than 'get thee on some blockers and change gender' is now cast as the same thing. There is no softly softly approach, no waiting it out, no seeing if, like 80-90% of children prior to the new regime, they desist post puberty. Its on with the drugs, and on with the transition.

Unsurprisingly very few who go down the puberty blockers followed by cross sex hormones do desist, but then their poor brains have not been allowed a natural maturing. They have been chemically castrated and taken out of the gene pool. And now they are not the 80% who probably would have been gay.

If I was gay I would be fucking furious that this new version of conversion therapy is being taken on, and in their own name. The transactivists have played a blinder. Aligning with LGB has hidden their agenda perfectly, and they get to benefit from the fear of 'phobia' of the majority of people who think people should be allowed to be who they are. Very fucking clever.

This is exactly the problem faced by the parent of a child with gender issues who often posts on these discussions.

The worst thing is that when she asked about the side effects of puberty blockers she was brushed off. So she did her own research and her child was discharged when she refused blockers.

This shit sterilizes children, ffs!