Transing a 4 year old

[ShadowChancellor]

On Monday, all the children at my kids school were taught about being transgender because the parent of a reception kid have decided that X is actually Y and are now sending their kid in as the opposite sex and have changed their name.

According to my kid they were shown a video that was all about how if you were a boy and liked girl things and girl clothes you were a girl and it was all very positive.

No parents were told before this happened. We only found out when the kids came out of school on Monday and told us.

AIBU to a) think that transing a kid at 4 years old is more to do with the parents not liking the fact that their kid prefers girls toys to boys toys and b) that the other parents should've been told before they showed our kids this film and promoted it all in school.

Its caused a lot of confusion with the younger kids who think you can change whether you are a boy or girl just by wishing it and didn't mention at all all of the problems that it can cause.

I've just watched the biology of bigotry video till the questions.

The midwife and the final reflections were absolutely bang on. And not forgetting the first speaker too.

The comment: 'the transactivists approach is patriarchal in nature' (paraphrase) is really the undoing of their movement.

Girlscout posted that 80% of transgender males keep their penis. I've looked for information to confirm this, does anybody have a link? I'm genuinely interested. I can't find anything to confirm it. (Not saying you are lying at all) maybe I'm rubbish at finding things out.

Keybord how crap for your son, glad you figured it out. Hope he is fine now.

It's very scary, can you imagine being a vulnerable women and locked up in prison with men who think they are women.

www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/fort-worth/article134353039.html

Clearly trans women can have a terrible time in prison, as (I would assume) do gay men, and indeed any man who doesn't fit the macho Alpha male hard man type! (So many stereotypes but you get my drift.)

I totally get why trans women would want to be in a 'safer' option. But women (biological women) cannot and should not be thrown under the bus because men are a risk to other men, as well as to women (and children). I know women can be a risk at times too, I know.

So let's assume that prisons could choose to operate differently and have designated spaces for different groups rather than lobbing all males in together or all females in together, which would put trans women at risk, as they are male; or as they are now, putting people who profess to be women in together with people who actually are women!

Please read this newest insight, parents could have their children taken away from them if they don't jump up and down with glee and have their kids transitioned - at least that is how I read it?

“Reportable trauma”? US gender docs “train” judges & call CPS on balking parents

4thwavenow.com/2017/02/25/reportable-trauma-us-gender-docs-train-judges-call-cps-on-balking-parents/

"OLSON-KENNEDY: I can say that the stickiest situations I’ve had is where one parent is supportive and one isn’t and they share medical custody. And so we work really hard to bring both parents in and bring them both on board. Because even if you get a court order, the most protective factor for a good outcome is parental support. So it’s not my first line to go to court to get somebody what they need. But it is my second line and I will do it. We’ve been pretty successful in 5 or 6 situations where…we really had a recalcitrant parent that we just could not bring along."

SoulSearcher That's terrifying.

I can't answer how many trans women will keep their penis but I think it is interesting my friend, who identified as a trans kid, from an early age, and transitioned relatively young (but as an adult) said she really did not like the whole thing of being male. After all, what could be more than a penis!

I do think trans women sometimes have a very mixed up idea of what it means to be a woman, it's actually sad, and rather pathetic and would be even more so if it were not so dangerous for us women!

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/what-is-it-like-to-be-transgender-trans-woman-opens-up-in-reddit-ama-a7377866.html

"She also revealed the surprising moment she felt like a woman - when a man ogled her on the train.

She said: "I was taking the train to go visit my girlfriend and I had femme'd myself a bit.

"I sat down and the guy in front of me turned around and gave me the once-over and said 'hey beautiful, whatchu doin'.

"I thought to myself 'well I guess this is going to be a thing that happens to me now, I feel more like a piece of meat than a person'."

Please note I am not saying all trans women are sad or pathetic, but I think this attitude of women as a piece of meat to be oggled is fucking offensive!

At the age of 4 i think it is more about the parents than the child.
At 4yr old my Dd had a garage and cars as her favourite toys and a tool set. But didn't mean she wanted to be a boy.
That child's parents are fkin nut jobs if you ask me.
How many people can remember being 4 years old? Let alone what you liked to play with or wear? At 4 you only know what sex you are if someone else tells you.
You only know the sky is blue and the grass is green because someone tells you.

Soul searcher I understand what you are saying. This isn't just about trans kids. It's about kids who don't fit into societal norms. I have a child mildly on the asd spectrum. When you have meetings with Camhs, teachers, a random social worker jumps in and they are all pushing you to medicate your child to "fit" in and you are frightened incase you "look" like you don't care. I just wish we would leave children to be who they are and when they are 18+ let them decide if they have capacity if they want medication which affects their future!!!

Dallyw with you all the way, children should be allowed to grow up loved and supported by their parents, my concern with regard to the article is that it seems that some parents whose children have been caught up with the trans trend are being frightened and could potentially have their children taken away from them if they question the trans rhetoric.

Soul searcher I totally agree with you. When did the state take over? It's all good having a government who protects its citizens, but enforcing an agenda is not right

Apparently that link I posted is from some far right Christian anti-gay adoption group, sorry about that.

Take a look at TERF is a slur (@terfisaslur): twitter.com/terfisaslur?s=09 Twitter page documenting abuse against Terfs. Warning doesn't make pleasant reading. One example "Im going to come in your bathroom and swing my dick in your face". I'm disgusted, this is real hate crime. Being gender critical isn't.

References punching Terfs a lot too. It's actually very frightening.

Talking from a personal perspective, if I was growing up today I would absolutely tick the official criteria for being trans. Up until puberty, I was desperate to be a boy, I loved nothing more that being mistaken for one and remember saying to my mum I wish I'd been born a boy (to which she replied "don't be ridiculous" and absolutely nothing else changed 😂). As an adult in my late 30s, I've realised that I have ASD and I think that it was more about knowing that I felt out of step with everyone else but not knowing why and ascribing that to mean that I wanted to be a boy as I idolised my dad and liked lots of 'boyish' things.

My parents did the best thing which is just let me be interested in whatever I wanted and regularly told me that boys and girls can like whatever they like - it was also before the copious vomiting of pink on anything that is considered girly that seems to have happened in the last 15 yrs so I don't think there was such an obvious toy by colour divide.

I wonder if many people who have ASD and identify as transgender are like I was and simply trying to work out why they didn't seem to innately understand the social situations around them. Hope this makes sense.

Empress, thanks for your link to Stefonknee. This is how a transperson on Reddit felt about the video of a 53 year old man who believes? (Who knows?) that he is a 6 year old girl:

Should I go around posting images of Cis people who want to be little kids, and act like they are the face of Cis people? Should I go around posting images of cis people with fangs, and horns, and crap like, and then act like they are the face of all Cis people? Yeah some trans people are weird, but I can bet money that there are weirder cis people. Like just because they can find a few trans women who fit some specific narrative. It doesn't mean that you can act like they represent trans people in general.

And I would say that people spreading videos like this, and those making them are transphobic. It's cis people making videos of trans people, and spreading their selected narratives. They only tell her story, because it is interesting to them. Cis people look at trans people through their lens. Not ours. They are bias, and often end up inadvertently spreading false information about us.

Thing is, aside from the age thing, I don't see the difference between Stef and many other transpeople, personally. Why are their beliefs about their identities unquestionably true, and Stef's are ridiculous?

Sousearcher the challenges slide is very scary.

Lost opportunity!

4thwavenow.com/2017/02/25/reportable-trauma-us-gender-docs-train-judges-call-cps-on-balking-parents/#jp-carousel-11522

The child not put on Lupron. Thank goodness for that!

www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/women-fear-drug-they-used-to-halt-puberty-led-to-health-problems/

CNN spokesperson thinks a 12 year old girl is the problem if she cannot cope with seeing an adult penis in a shower room!

twitter.com/ChrisCuomo/status/834745679394246658

DallyW, here's a link that gives the figure of 25-30% of transgender people having any surgery, so I guess that would include breast implants/mastectomies as well as SRS. I've got a bookmark for an article that gives the 80% figure but it's on my PC which isn't to hand. I'll try to remember to post it tomorrow.

When ds1 was 4 he wanted to wear pink all the time, he wanted a doll and pram for his birthday, which he was given, he wanted princess dress up clothes.
He's now 16, a gruff teenager who is into mechanics and restoring engines.
I cannot imagine the damage we would have done to him had we though "ooh, pink clothes, doll? He's obviously a girl....."

I was a real tomboy growing up, in fact there were several years where I would describe myself as confused. I wore jeans, boys trainers, tshirts, had short hair. I'm so pleased I was born 40 years ago and not into the madness that is today's society.
In so many ways things seem to be heading to the far side of fuck, I feel very sorry for today's children, they are getting such a rough deal despite outward appearances being that they get so much.

The issue with dear little Stefonknee isn't just that she's an abusive husband and father, age play fetishist and galloping narcissist. The trans person on Reddit is quite right in saying that you don't have to be trans to be weird,Venus.

No, what makes these guys problematic is that they are considered community leaders right up until they are exposed. Little Stefonknee was a leading light in Canadian trans activism, thanked by name in Parliament, and key in organizing Toronto Pride. It's disturbing how often leading trans activists turn out to be disturbed or downright criminal, like online campaigner and activist Allison Woolbert who was exposed as a child rapist. Or trans rights advocate Dana Rivers who last year murdered two lesbians and their son, a crime unreported by most LGBT news sites.

The only other group that I can think of who make a habit of choosing leaders who turn out to have unsavoury pasts are the homophobic Christian groups. It's like all it takes is for some minister to start telling his flock that they can pray the gay away and 6 months later he's caught with a gay hooker.

Some might suggest that what the two groups have in common is a lot of unacknowledged sexual conflict. I couldn't possibly comment.

Thank you prawn :)

Is it no time a bit weird that an adult, responsible for a child, would take a child liking a toy typically aimed at the opposite gender as meaning that the child is transgendered. Most four year olds don't even know if they want to be a dinosaur next week or an astronaut. Surely no one should be changing their gender until they themselves can think and are sure and have had some form of counselling to see if it's truly what they want. The world is getting quite scary these days. I'm dreading the day when I'll be the odd one out for not changing my child's gender for them.

Borrowed heart I agree with you

Prawn, it was more that that transperson felt that it was wrong for anyone to make a video of Stefonknee and therefore it was a "transphobic" action. My point is that identify-wise, I don't actually see much of a difference between Stefonknee and many others.