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She's not a toy!

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imisschocolate · 24/02/2017 08:29

I have a 2 week old DD. i don't understand why visitors insist that they have to have a "shot" when they visit.

Yesterday my baby was very grouchy and unhappy and DH and myself were having trouble settling her. We had a visitor who happened to arrive just as she was calming and falling asleep on me. Right from start of visit i said that as she was so unhappy i didn't want to risk distressing her by passing her around. This meant i had 2 hours of comments along the lines of "if I'm not getting a shot i might as well just go". (Which actually would have suited me).

I wanted to scream shes not a toy and I'm not going to make her cry just so you can hold her. This person has visited a couple of times since she was born so not like hadn't held DD before.

Also, she kept hinting i should wake my sleeping, grouchy baby to put on a wee pink outfit she brought just so she could get a picture. DD hates getting dressed/undressed which visitor knows. My DD is not a doll that you can play dress up with!

I don't think its unreasonable to not want to hand over a baby to someone for a "shot" when it will upset them. I also will not dress my baby up in an outfit just so you can get a picture.

Rant over

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IamFriedSpam · 01/03/2017 13:15

PointxTaken Are you being deliberately obtuse. I thought the conversation was about the time immediately after having a baby. The normal rules of guests do not apply. No one goes round to visit someone with a newborn and expects to be waited on. Its fine if they're still in their PJs and if they have some manners they'd be the one offering to make a cuppa. If they're not close enough to do that they don't need to rush round straight after baby's born.

PointxTaken · 01/03/2017 13:34

No IamFriedSpam, but are you? You might have been in your pyjamas, no one I know would dream of it. If we have visitors, we get dressed. In this country, most mums go home after a few hours, there's no time to rest. If a mum wants visitors, it's entirely up to her.
Why can't you accept that some of us do not. Privacy and peace are needed for a day, a week, several weeks. Who are you to decide otherwise? The lack of respect is unbelievable. I know enough women who still resent bitterly early visitors they did not want.

IamFriedSpam · 01/03/2017 13:46

pointxTaken it's fine for you to do whatever you want just after giving birth but don't act shocked and appalled that others don't do the same. I wouldn't dream of barging in on a friend immediately after giving birth and if I went to visit family or a close friend I would do so with the intention of being useful not of being hosted as if it was a dinner party. Most people offer to bring food, do the hoovering etc.

It's totally normal in the UK to be allowed some slobbing time after giving birth; when you're exhausted, you've probably lost blood, in pain etc etc. Guests usually want to be helpful not add more for the parents to do. I do feel sorry for people that would feel under pressure at such a time to host guests and I certainly wouldn't dream of behaving that way as a guest in someone's home if they'd just given birth.

PointxTaken · 01/03/2017 13:52

I remember my NCT class (quite a few years ago) where even then the need for at least a week free of visitors was mentioned.

IamFriedSpam you sound very nice, sadly the experience of early visitors for most people is not as pleasant. It's more about the "right" and expectation to meet the new baby, not about being helpful to the poor mum.

5moreminutes · 01/03/2017 14:54

After my DC2 was born I allowed myself to be emotionally blackmailed into having my mother to stay (partly because my father was so insistent that she wanted to help and would be heartbroken if not allowed to, partly because of that mantra well meaning clueless people chant about accepting any and all help offered with a toddler and a newborn). She marched in, took the baby, sat in my breastfeeding chair, and remained parked there clutching him and telling me (immediately post C section) to get on with cleaning while I had her there "to hold the baby". She complained about our meal times (too early for her, suited the toddler and DH's work day but that was met with a condescending grimence and patronising comments about adults who are early) complained about the meals I cooked ( easy one pot meals the toddler liked and I could prepare as and when and stick in the oven were too heavy, she'd prefer "a few bits" I.e. an extensive buffet of shop bought coleslaw, potato salad, sausage rolls, cheese's, different breads, green salads, grapes, chopped crudités and dips, etc etc but wasn't willing to drive to the shops to buy all that stuff) and didn't so much as put her own cups in the dishwasher as she felt (despite being frequently assured to the contrary) we'd have our own way of packing it. She didn't so much as boil the kettle. She handed me her dirty underwear to "just throw in with yours" she spent hours in the one bathroom, and complained about the lack of mirrors in her room and thought DH might pop out and buy one and hang it for her - she also wanted me to drive her shopping as neither of the jackets she'd packed were quite right for the weather. The only "chore" she did was once in two weeks to have DC1 in her room first thing (I thought maybe if I asked her to do something I'd resent her less - DC1 was an early riser and my mother wasn't getting up until 9am, then spending an hour in the bathroom, then coming down to take the newborn off me and order her breakfast Shock - predictably DD made a mess with toys as she played while mother dozed for a couple of hours, so later in the day after much bemoaning of the mess my mother shovelled the toys randomly back into all the wrong places (seriously pieces of jigsaw chucked in with the Lego and other pieces of the same jigsaw in with the cars, pens without their caps chucked in with the toy kitchen stuff type "tidying") then spent the rest of her visit telling all and sundry how we'd never have coped without her to tidy up after us Confused

After two weeks we had a fight when I told her that I didn't have a second baby because I specifically didn't' want one and wanted time to clean and wait on people, and that holding my newborn all day and refusing to give him back except when I insisted wasn't helping me at all. She cried and laid on guilt trips about wanting to bond ... She then went home and told everyone how helpful she'd been and how I'd said I didn't know how I'd cope when she left. Seriously she was more work and less help than a couple of extra toddlers!

After hearing all about that a friend (who had stayed with us previously alone with her toddlers for almost a month without problems) came to stay after the birth of DC3, and told me on arrival that I could "get on in peace" as her 3 and 5 year olds were there to hold the baby... I assumed she was joking as she hadn't let either of hers out of her arms / sling as babies, but oh no - within a day she was complaining that the kids had been looking forward to looking after DC3 and she'd told them I'd be "relaxed" about handing him over so I could "get on" because he was my third, and mothers of 3 are always grateful to have someone to take the baby (a frigging preschool child apparently! I had preschool children of my own, had a wanted a 3 or 5 year old baby sitter to hold my newborn without close supervision - which strangely I did not!)

People are very strange when newborns are around - not just mothers!

My favourite guests left presents on the doorstep the day they knew we were coming home - I emulate that tbh.

In laws visited in hospital briefly (15 minutes) then invited us to theirs when we were ready - also works. They didn't meet DD til she was 5 months old due to living in different countries when she was born but have a closer bond with her now she's a preteen than any of my family who met her as a newborn.

IamFriedSpam · 01/03/2017 14:59

poinx that sounds horrible - maybe I'm just blessed with nice family and friends (or maybe no one likes me and they're just not that bothered about meeting my babies :)). I was so anaemic and in such pain after both births that I could barely stand (and I didn't even have c-sections) - no way could I run around after people. It took me at least a few weeks to go back to feeling like a vaguely competent human being.

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