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AIBU?

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WIBU to this rude man on the train?

329 replies

Tabbylady · 01/02/2017 21:10

Sometimes I commute by train. Today coming home I was at a table with a woman & baby opposite me and man next to me. I've seen the man a few times- it's a small train and we obviously do a similar commute.

I had smiled at the woman and commented on her cute baby before the man got on. The woman started to breastfeed her baby and almost immediately the man started making disgusted noises and told her to "go and do that in the toilet". She seemed really shocked/speechless.

I said excuse me but she isn't bothering me and I'm opposite her, pointed out that it's illegal to stop someone from breastfeeding in public now, and invited him to go and eat his smelly egg sandwich in the toilet instead. He wasn't really having any of it and said she was flaunting herself, to think of the effect it might have on "those boys" (a table of oblivious teenagers halfway down the train). The woman was now in tears. I'd had a bad day at work and lost the plot a bit.

For context, I work in criminal justice. I was working on my laptop on a presentation on sex offenders I'm due to do, where I have some expertise. (OK to do on a train, it's in the public domain and no graphic images etc!) but did notice him peering at my laptop screen.

I told him, very loudly, that if he was unable to cope with the merest sight of breast in a completely appropriate, public context and was finding himself uncontrollably aroused then I was seriously concerned that he was some kind of sexual deviant and should seek help immediately. I did this in a very earnest, straight-faced, concerned-for-your-health and totally PA way. People nearby noticed, and laughed. He was all flustered, went scarlet and buried himself in the Metro.

I got off at the same stop as the woman and apologised to her as I did not want to have embarassed her. She said it was ok and that she wasn't embarrassed, nice to have been stuck up for etc so I know I did broadly the right thing there.

But did I take it too far with the man? He was being really awful, but I was pretty rude and he was clearly embarrassed. I'll probably see him again on the train. Do I need to apologise to him too??

I'm imagining him on oldmansnet complaining about this nasty random young(ish) woman who accused him in public of being a sex offender!!!

OP posts:
Awwlookatmybabyspider · 01/02/2017 22:45

I wonder would he have opened his trap had her big burly husband been sat next to her

TreacleTreacleLittleStar · 01/02/2017 22:46

Depends if she was leaving it hanging out and not even attempting to be discreet or not.
I have absolutely no issue with public breastfeeding provided it is not in an entitled 'everyone-cover-your faces-because-I-have-to-whack-it-out-and-then-leave-it-entirely-100%-exposed-for-5-mins-afterwards-whilst-burping' kind of way.
(And yes, I have witnessed this more than once!! One of those times she had BOTH of them fully exposed for over 5 mins! Basically topless!!) Total indecency.

If not then I agree he was wrong and was clearly peering at her!! Confused

BonnyScotland · 01/02/2017 22:47

He was wrong for complaining about a breast feeding mother... however...

Working in Criminal Justice you should know that your documents should be protected at all times.. and written in a secure and private environment.... working on this on a Train where people can see you writing Sex Offender Reports.. is not appropriate.

Practically calling the man a Sex Offender is Appalling and disgusting..

I hope nobody filmed your little rant.. I can see you being out of a job.

ArcheryAnnie · 01/02/2017 22:48

You were bloody magnificent, OP. Well done.

Lorrie3188 · 01/02/2017 22:50

GO YOU! I would have loved to witness that. Poor woman.

AskBasil · 01/02/2017 22:50

"Depends if she was leaving it hanging out and not even attempting to be discreet or not.
I have absolutely no issue with public breastfeeding provided it is not in an entitled 'everyone-cover-your faces-because-I-have-to-whack-it-out-and-then-leave-it-entirely-100%-exposed-for-5-mins-afterwards-whilst-burping' kind of way."

Oh please Not everyone is competent, not everyone is discreet. You don't get to dictate how women should breastfeed, before you judge it's acceptable.

People talk as though women wave their breasts around spraying everyone.

That's what men would do if they breastfed. On bachelor parties on the way to the footie. Grin

StrongerThanIThought76 · 01/02/2017 22:51

Wouldn't it be interesting if that particular train had rather more than usual numbers of bf mums on board for the same journey.... Halo

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 01/02/2017 22:52

Breast feeding mums are not obliged to be descret.

justilou · 01/02/2017 22:52

Absolutely perfect response!

StrongerThanIThought76 · 01/02/2017 22:52

*for the same journey TOMORROW

FairyFlake45 · 01/02/2017 22:58

It was a great response and you should be proud of yourself!

MammaTJ · 01/02/2017 23:04

No way should you apologise, he will only take that as justification that you were wrong and he was right and none of us want that!

He was a bully, put well in his place by you. Well done!

I say this as someone who did not successfully breastfeed!

sonyaya · 01/02/2017 23:05

bonnyscotland

I would agree but I got the impression that OP was writing a presentation about dealing with sex offenders,not dealing with any specific cases?

ageingrunner · 01/02/2017 23:06

God I hate it when people whine on about "ok as long as she's being discreet" that's what our sodding breasts are actually FOR! To feed our babies. Their fetishisation as solely sex objects is what causes the problem. Women should not have to feel ashamed and obliged to be fucking discreet.

Underbeneathsies · 01/02/2017 23:10

The thing is that you feel so vulnerable when breastfeeding, and if someone even looks sideways unkindly it'll set you off.

We need advocates everywhere. Op you did a super thing today- feel proud and don't even think about apologising for doing the right thing for our bf sister

I hope to be as strong as you to support someone vulnerable

Eclecticmama · 01/02/2017 23:11

Hero!! Flowers

RustyPaperclip · 01/02/2017 23:12

Bonnyscotland you make a valid point which is often forgotten by people working whilst travelling on public transport. I reread the OP and it sounds like there was no breach of sensitive data. However it is well worth pointing out (hope I haven't diverted too much from your post OP!)

DailyMailSucks · 01/02/2017 23:13

EXCELLENT response. You are awesome. As another breastfeeder-on-trains who that guy might one day sit next to, thank you!

crocodarl · 01/02/2017 23:13

Wow. Well done you.

It makes me shudder to hear that this stuff really does happen. Completely outrageous. I've been fortunate enough never to have encountered any negativity whilst breastfeeding in public, despite having done it loads (3 kids). I try to be reasonably dicreet/covered while I'm doing it, but it's still pretty obvious that's what I'm doing.

Although I was out for coffee today with a friend and our babies who are exactly the same age (3 months). I was breastfeeding mine at one point, and I know she breastfeeds too but when her baby was ready for a feed she said sorry she had to get home now to feed baby. Obviously that was fine (maybe she had other stuff she had to do) but I was a bit surprised... neither of us are 1st time mothers... I wonder if it really was just that she doesn't feel OK about feeding in public? No reason why she should if she's not comfortable with it of course, but I really hope it's not just that she feels it's not acceptable!

tabithakitty · 01/02/2017 23:14

Love your work! Good for you, please don't apologise. Suspect he might change his commute Smile Struggle to understand how our society can be screwed up enough to think there is anything strange about bf.

IckleWicklePumperNickle · 01/02/2017 23:16

You are awesome!!

Sweetpea302 · 01/02/2017 23:17

You're bloody brilliant! Well done!

M0stlyHet · 01/02/2017 23:17

Standing ovation from me, OP.

BakeOffBiscuits · 01/02/2017 23:18

Go you!

Hopefully he will apologise to you for being such a twat.

BakeOffBiscuits · 01/02/2017 23:19

The only thing I'm annoyed about is that the whole carriage didnt give you a standing ovation once you'd told him offGrin