to wonder what planet the 'ban Trump from the UK' people are living on

[roseshippy]

Yes I understand that he's a sexist, racist, whatever-else-ist.

But he evidently thinks fondly of the UK, we are currently in the process of saying 'fuck off' to mainland Europe, so we will be a small, friendless island in the North Sea in need of some help.

AIBU to think that we need to suffer a bit of schmoozing from dodgy foreign leaders as part of post-Brexit Britain? (Actually didn't we already schmooze dodgy foreign leaders long before Brexit?)

And in reality Trump is rather less dodgy than the average world leader, if we exclude the EU, as we have done

What are the other choices?

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

I signed the petition to prevent a full state visit because I believe we need to send a message to the wider world that we as a general public don't condone the hateful tangerine twat. Teresa May is refusing to condemn the Muslim Ban, his comments about our own future Queen are disgusting (saying the press had every right to take naked photos and publish them without her permission because she "does the naked sunbathing thing"... hateful victim blaming wankbadger) and currently, our government is not representing its people on this at all.

Trump is a businessman (a shit one, accepted.) and is only interested in the UK as long as the deal he strikes benefits America first. If you think for a single second he has any respect for TM or British Sovereignty etc you're as deluded as he is.

I don't want the reputation and morality of my country linked to the distasteful cockwomble even if my government has lost sight of their consciences due to their evident blind panic over Brexit.

If we invite him here smiling and waving and ignore the bitter taste in our mouths, what on earth was Brexit for? Didn't they all vote leave to regain control of the country or some such unbelievable shit? Do we really want to essentially show the world we're now in such a weakened state that we're quite happy to bend over and take Trumps shrivelled cock up our collective raw arses?

We are the Melania of the world if we welcome the twunt with open arms.

Sorry.

I predict 5 at least before page 8.

And in reality Trump is rather less dodgy than the average world leader, if we exclude the EU, as we have done.

I hope that this is trolling otherwise I am staggered by the ignorance shown here. Trump is just getting started.

Is trawling out the clichéd mn 'whataboutery' accusation the unintellingent person's attempt to shut people up?

Cliched? Since when? Never seen the word used before today, and I'm here 10 years

All day people have been whining," ooh you can't complain about Trump, whatabout Putin's visit/China/Saudi Arabia" "You've no right to protest, what about bans on Israeli passports?"...whatabout this, whatabout that?

Accusations of whataboutery are flying because every other comment is "What about this thing that I think invalidates your right to be pissed off about THIS thing?"

And its all fucking ridiculous.

I'd be smirking at president pussygrabber if I wasn't still reeling from the fact that racism and admitting sexual assault isn't enough to stop you being potus.
nevertheless that is how I shall refer to him from now. I wish I thought he'd be bothered.
I hope Kate and William are very polite while making it clear they think he's a pile of shit.

Is the queen still allowed to shout orf with his head?

I expect a lot of the people who are voicing their opinions about trump and not wanting the UK to cozy up to him are also remainers

The "turkeys voting for Christmas" brexiteers largely seem to think trump is amaaaaazing

In fact part of the reason I felt so strongly we should remain was because the rise of trump in America was making me incredibly nervous about the prospect of being isolated from Europe.

whatsthepointofmorgan, you made such a tit of yourself about that word on another thread. I can't believe you're trying to turn it into some witty ongoing joke here.

Aren't you busy reforming the Indian caste system, Mexican financial inequality, animal rights in China and some of the various other causes you tossed in to explain why we shouldn't protest Trump? Nope - don't answer that. Throw back a smiley face and sneer.

It is truly dismal how some people seem to think that 'taking back control' fits in with cosying up to an absolutely appalling new leader who - even if you ignore every awful thing he's said and done - has repeatedly positioned himself as putting America first, particularly American manufacturing and jobs. Whatever the handshaking PR, this is not a man who gives the slightest shit about a decent trade deal, and will gain no political leverage from it at home. That's not what he's sold his supporters. Isolationism, high import tariffs, breaking off from foreign involvements and commitments: that's what they want.

He's also an incredibly unstable, unreliable person, who's perfectly happy to assert up is down and black is white: we can be in his good graces one moment, and out the next. Meanwhile, we've lost the last vestige of any credibility ourselves: desperate little Britain, who'll overlook almost anything if you chuck a bit of business our way. As the mighty Trump would say, in another eloquent 2am toilet tweet: SAD!!

Is trawling out the clichéd mn 'whataboutery' accusation the unintellingent person's attempt to shut people up?

'whataboutery'

We need someone to use it as an insult a couple more times to get a full house.
Double points if they're used it in a pwoper sentence.

StealthPolarBear
Is the queen still allowed to shout orf with his head?

If I were the Queen I'd have to shout that once at least.

The point is we have just discovered that brexit means we have lost our ability to stand up for what we are meant to believe in. It means we have lost our sovereignty becuase of brexit. Trump may only be in power for a few years and by the time the next President comes along we may have burn our bridges with Europe and lose our credibility with the rest of the world. The next president may if.... he is a democrat for example punish this country for not standing up to Trump. I certainly dont think we should gamble everything on a trade deal with Trump - he has just cancelled trade agreements. Who is to say the next president will not cancel any trade deal that this country makes with trump?

I don't think we'll let you judge though, you thought a poster made it up this morning. You did make an awful tit of yourself, you'd think you'd stop bringing it up.

Have you nothing better to do than follow a person round from thread to thread?
People get it. You don't like Trump.
If I remember correctly, you were quite good at making a tit of yourself all by yoursel, despite others trying to reason with you.. I see you don't know when to quit.

Nope - don't answer that. Throw back a smiley face

Slightly disturbing to think that you are unhinged enough to trawl through my previous posts to the extent you even know which smileys I have put, where (even I would be hard pressed to remember).
Maybe you need a nice lie down

What about Saudi Arabia? Well, yes, the situation there is terrible in many ways. But maybe people are speaking out about Trump now because this new US situation is new, and emerging, and from a place from which we expect better.

There's so much wrong with this attitude.

The women on the march I went to said essentially 'we don't know and we don't care, Trump is a cunt etc.'

We should care. Our sisters there cannot drive or leave the house without a male escort

They are automatically the guilty party in a sec crime, be that adultery or rape.

Their births and deaths are unrecorded.

That's how irrelevant women are in KSA.

To dismiss what happens under that regime because it's more fun to shout 'cunt' on the news is shit and does nothing to convince me that you're less interested in real human rights abuses and more in leaping on a fashionable hysterical bandwagon.

I've spent a long time over the past few decades supporting women who are trying to raise awareness of the systematic and government-sanctioned abuse of Saudi women, including the maids and house girls and slaves, and there's been a deafening silence.

The 'w' word gets hurled a lots though, as well as these racist little platitudes - 'well, we can hardly hold them to western democratic standards.' Why the hell not?

Trump will be gone in max 8 years. While he does seem the nuttiest, america has elected plenty of sex pests before (Kennedy, Clinton) or religious nuts (Reagan).

We have to stay friends with america so he has to visit. Which is of course not the subject of the petition.

*sex crime

Do you think he is not aware that over 1.7 million people have signed a petition set up by a UK solicitor, and they are currently debating it in Parliament? - and they'll also have to debate the fact that many people want him to come now that the counter petition has reached over 100,000 signatures.

There is a bandwagon.
Its the one that people jump on in their haste to be seen as sensible, non emotional, not.a.pleb.

People who signed that petition are not stupid. I am pretty sure most of us have a good idea that it won't stop him coming here.
But we want to register our outrage that a man like him is being invited for a state visit.
We can say 'we are not happy about this' and it get lost in the ether or we can publicly register our unhappiness and, along with tens of thousands of others, our complaint is collected in one place and is seen by the world.

There is nothing pathetic or undemocratic about protesting. It doesn't mean a person is a sore loser if they stick to their beliefs despite other not agreeing with them.

Just watching that petition rack up thousands of signatures comforted me. In a world where goodness and kindness are currently derided as the bubble headed ideals of a mythical elite it was good to see how many people from ALL over the country came out to prove that a nonsense

@throwingpebbles: I expect a lot of the people who are voicing their opinions about trump and not wanting the UK to cozy up to him are also remainers

The "turkeys voting for Christmas" brexiteers largely seem to think trump is amaaaaazing

That's an interesting assumption. A little off mark but an interesting assumption. I'm an EU divorcer and I'm not a Trump supporter.

How does that fit?

I think there's a lot of rather ludicrous hysteria about Trump.

There are an awful lot of people who seem to need to make a big thing of how outraged and virtuously right-thinking they are.

Yes, of course, he's a very unpleasant man, but as others have pointed out, so are many other presidents who've been on state visits despite perpetrating what we here would consider outrages at home.

There is a thing called DIPLOMACY, which means trying to get on with other leaders whether you approve of them or not.

The fact remains that he was democratically elected, and is doing what he said he'd do - and with a bit of luck will be out next time.

The fault largely lies IMO with the Democratic Party elite, who insisted on choosing Hillary and refused to accept how widely unpopular she was with whole swathes of the population.

We now have to try to make the best of it until - we hope - he is booted out next time.

He's more than just a dodgy leader though, his behaviour actually looks insane. If we cosy up to him we risk being taken down by him. He doesn't want friends, he wants sycophants. He won't treat the UK well even if we do tug our forelock, so we might as well keep our dignity and try to forge alliances and trade deals with the rest of the world.

I also think that America is going to suffer financially at his hands. They simply won't be the strong trading partner they have been in the past, so all round - I don't think we want to get too close.

I wouldn't ban him from the UK, but for the love of god, no State Visit!

And Narky, whether it's a proper word or not, you are making a fool of yourself by overusing it.

People have taken the piss out of you before about it before. It's not just me.
You new to find a new word to use.