to wonder what planet the 'ban Trump from the UK' people are living on

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Yes I understand that he's a sexist, racist, whatever-else-ist.

But he evidently thinks fondly of the UK, we are currently in the process of saying 'fuck off' to mainland Europe, so we will be a small, friendless island in the North Sea in need of some help.

AIBU to think that we need to suffer a bit of schmoozing from dodgy foreign leaders as part of post-Brexit Britain? (Actually didn't we already schmooze dodgy foreign leaders long before Brexit?)

And in reality Trump is rather less dodgy than the average world leader, if we exclude the EU, as we have done

What are the other choices?

I haven't heard anyone call for Trump to be banned from the UK, OP.

There was a petition for this very subject a few months ago.

and he's tweeted some awful things about Kate Middleton

Oh well that's it then!!

A State visit in under six month is unprecedented.

Unfortunately, he won't see the protesters - they'll be kept away, as when the Chinese president came.

Trump has stated quite clearly, 'America First', so any trade deal is going to benefit them not us.

By all means let a Head of State visit this country for trade deals but not on this scale.

Wouldn't it be nice if no-one turns up at all - or those that do, turn the backs and say nothing? That would be a real protest.

I would say the "no State visit" people are on Planet Earth and that they care about that planet and all the people on it very much.

As for the "whataboutery"...

What about Putin's visit? Maybe they protested at the time. Maybe they are more aware now. Maybe they were too young then, and are only now protesting adults. Maybe they have seen that visit gained us nothing and so view offering state visits in a different light.

What about Saudi Arabia? Well, yes, the situation there is terrible in many ways. But maybe people are speaking out about Trump now because this new US situation is new, and emerging, and from a place from which we expect better.

There could be many historic / personal / life stage reasons people feel they wish to protest this issue and not others.

It is a bit like charities. I support Oxfam, the National Trust and Shelter. There are a GAZILLION more charities that I believe do wonderful, wonderful things. I have personally decided that my money is better concentrated on a few. Others may choose to spread the same money more thinly. Others may prioritise Cancer research, for example, but it doesn't automatically they don't care about homeless people or old buildings... this whole "what about" thing is very frustrating!

I live in Mexico, where a succession of corrupt presidents have stripped the country of its sovereignty

Aside from rumors, what has Trump as president, actually done that is legally corrupt?

YABU due to reading comprehension. I don't generally believe in banning people from countries unless they've done something heinous, but the twunt shouldn't get a state visit.

Though actually I do believe that rapists and sexual abusers shouldn't be allowed entry to the country, though I suppose that relies on an actual conviction to enforce.

A State visit in under six month is unprecedented

So is Brexit. Needs must.

America will do what is in the best interest of America, to hell with the rest of the world.

He has been democratically elected.

As POTUS, he gets the honour however, we do have the freedom, key word there, to show our feelings.

At least it is taking the focus away from Brexit though

I shouldn't make fun.

My apologies.

Why should we not register our disapproval of such an abhorrent person if we're given the opportunity to do so?

Do you think he is not aware that over 1.7 million people have signed a petition set up by a UK solicitor, and they are currently debating it in Parliament?

The planet where people are for people. The mans a disgrace and is no better than ISIS in fact he's happily playing along with them. They both have the same motive to divide and ultimately conquer, he is of the same breed "the radicals".

There was a petition for this very subject a few months ago

A year ago actually, when he was just Mr Trump instead of President PussyGrabber. And not nearly as big a response. So not the same thing.

And I can't stand the way that because people protest about a certain something, then they are automatically leapt on and told their opinion is invalid because they didn't protest about a certain something else.

America will do what is in the best interest of America, to hell with the rest of the world.

Is any country any different (if they had the choice ) ?

Personally I think they should just shut him in a room with Prince Philip and sit back and watch. .

The reality is that the petition carries no weight at all and neither are the government able to change the outcome. A state visit happens when one head of state extends an invitation to another head of state. So his invitation comes from the queen, not from the prime minister.

The government can debate the matter, but that is where their involvement ends.

Thanks for the tip whatsthepointofmorgan.

"Where were all the protestors when we were cosslying up to saudi arabia.
Massive amount of bandwagon jumping"

I was out protesting as werr many 1000's rememver the prison deal that didnt happen after the outcry ?
I really dislike people moaning about peoples democratic right to protest by saying why arent they protesting about a, b or c instead!
The medias coverage about this is so much more than the marches that happened about saudi arms deals and the nhs.

Personally I think they should just shut him in a room with Prince Philip and sit back and watch.wink.

My money would be on Prince Philip making it out alive.

They're not trying to ban Trump from the UK.

The petition is to prevent a state visit, and its associated prestige and honour.

It's to be expected that the US president would visit the UK, with his misogynist white supremacist representatives talking to the UK's incompetent racist government. However, Theresa May has offered the chance of a more prestigious state visit - according to some sources, to show Trump that actually she's the PM , not Farage.

Can't imagine the Queen being in the market for forcible hand holding, nor for pussy grabbing.

He will come to the UK anyhow, the rest of Europe will also host him.

The Queen has met many other world leaders, she can hold her own.

Maybe Mumsnet should suggest that she goes for a Spa Day that day?

How many for a full house?

I dont want to die in a ditch for Iranians rights to visit America over the next 90 days.

You really have no idea what Trump's agenda is and what all of this means?
That issue alone is important, but it is indicative of how the rest of his term is planned out.