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Theresa May - opinions

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AnnoyedinJanuary · 30/01/2017 19:58

So over the weekend so so many decent people spoke out about Trump and the Travel Ban from countries with largely Muslim populations (though not those where he has business deals or hotels)..... I'm furious with the actions of the UK PM who instead of standing firm for values and morals seems to be cosying up to this monster and trying to get trade deals going..... is it me or does anyone else think if the UK had remained in the EU - we'd now have David Cameron joining the voices of the sane to condemn Trump. Is this what the UK has now become...... I've seen tweets of all the anti Trump visit marches and am so proud of those people getting out to have their voices heard...... and the online petition..... again British people standing up like they have done so many times before. Does anyone else think also that Theresa May is leading this country down the wrong path and that in this instance regardless of what you think about Brexit it would be better for us to be in the EU? Didn't Cameron warn of this also?

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Valentine2 · 30/01/2017 21:34

YANBU. I think she has turned out o be a complete disaster so far. the lack of strategy about Brexit, the UKIPisation of Tories, the absolutely disgraceful PMQ performance so far and now hand holding with Donald Trump! Shock not only has she failed on so many fronts, she has also badly damaged the feminist message her presence in the Downing Street was sending. How many male PMs/heads of states would end up coming down to a joint press conference holding hands?? That too with Trump? I need to use eye bleach to rid of the memes I saw on twitter afterwards.

And now she is stuck: she can't go back on EU stance and she can't displease Trump. I wouldn't want to be in her shoes right now.

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Peanutbutterrules · 30/01/2017 21:35

She's completely out of her depth.

In a panic and willingly to do anything/ignore anything because we are desperate for trade partners now we've pissed off from Europe.

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Valentine2 · 30/01/2017 21:37

Yes I also believe we need to have a United front in Europe now if only to make sure Trump stays in his pants. He said he wants 35% import tax. If he pulls that one, May would be in a very bad place. In a "sad" place actually.
And what exactly would we sell to USA anyway? Hmm

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IvorHughJarrs · 30/01/2017 21:38

She is doing a tough job which most of the men around were either too weak or too scared to take on. Cameron fucked everybody over by calling a referendum without setting it up properly, being arrogant enough to think he'd win without proper campaigning and then skulked off when he lost. Whoever took over would be damned if they stuck with Brexit or condemned as anti-democratic if they didn't which is why most of the men didn't want the job.

Trump is obnoxious but he was elected democratically in our most powerful ally and alienating him, as well as Europe, would be incredibly stupid. I think she is doing the best she or anyone could do under the circumstances

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Believeitornot · 30/01/2017 21:39

Trump did not win the popular vote. There was a targeted digital marketing campaign, apparently, which targeted groups of people on Facebook on a mass scale. Brilliant yet scary.
Brexit was similar apparently. That's the worry - TM is leading our country into the abyss based on a hairs breadth of a majority.
The US are a huge country, why on earth does she think they'll cut us a good deal?Hmm

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Valentine2 · 30/01/2017 21:41

He is dying to get his hands on NHS. I would want that half of my household income DOES NOT go to taxes here BEFORE they hack the NHS away. I want to know where my money is going. And all this drama is taking the focus away from this crucial question. Unfortunately we are under the thumb of the right wing media unless we bring an educational revolution in this country to teach genuine scientific thinking in our schools.

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Believeitornot · 30/01/2017 21:44

It's not the traditional media which is the problem. It's the spread of "alternative" and unchallenged facts via social media which is the real problem.
People need to read widely not stick to one outlet. They need to question the sources of stories. Unfortunately that isn't happening.

The NHS will be dismantled and we will be told that we have to sell half of it to the US because of brexit

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Valentine2 · 30/01/2017 21:44

She is doing a tough job which most of the men around were either too weak or too scared to take on.

That makes these men look impressively more intelligent than her then, right? Whose fault is this? Who was putting a gun to her head to make sure she goes on in the history as the second female PM and a massive failure?
Live by the gun and all that.

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Believeitornot · 30/01/2017 21:46

She didn't have to take the job of PM.

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Capricorn76 · 30/01/2017 21:46

Theresa the appeaser has got the UK backed into a corner. She has almost gone out of her way to deliver hard Brexit and piss off our European allies trying to flaunt that we don't need them because we're besties with US. Now look, we're tied to a fascist and when (not if) he's removed from power, the world will remember how the UK government behaved.

Apparently Brexit was about UK sovereignty but it looks more like cosying up with maniacs like Trump and Erdogan. She'll be on her knees to Mugabe on her begging bowl world tour next. It's embarrassing and she's probably already promised the Americans access to strip our NHS bare. She's out of her depth and nowhere near as smart or savvy as she thinks she is. The UK has been humiliated but has still much further to fall once Theresa Mayhem pushes the button in A50 on March. Jesus must pull the biggest Hmm when she calls herself Christian.

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lifetothefull · 30/01/2017 21:47

Give her time. I think she could play him, but it's a long game.

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LaContessaDiPlump · 30/01/2017 21:48

now she is stuck: she can't go back on EU stance and she can't displease Trump. I wouldn't want to be in her shoes right now

While I hate her personal tendencies towards a Big Brother-like totalitarian state (look at her previously favored policies if you don't believe me), I do agree with the above.

She is a Remainer (as am I) who's been assigned the unenviable job of helping us Leave. She's not confident enough to say 'People, you have had your say but you are stupid; I refuse to press the Brexit button', and so she is desperately casting around for viable trade relationships that will (or may) sustain us after we leave properly. America is a giant hanging fruit, even if it does smell a bit rank - it makes sense that she'd be feverishly courting Trump. Erdogan is a bit more surprising though.

She'd be panned if she rejected the Referendum, and she's being panned for following it. I personally think rejecting it would be the lesser of two evils down the line, but that's my opinion and sadly not one she seems to share.

Interesting times Sad

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RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 30/01/2017 21:48

Glass ceiling

I, and a number of others on here, thought that the minute we heard that it was two women in the 'final' to be pm

They had better not fuck up the NHS Hmm i dont know what i will do but they had better not fuck it up

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Valentine2 · 30/01/2017 21:50

Apparently, in response to the petition for not inviting Trump for a state visit, her office believes they can't be seen weak in the face of "populist" ideas.
Makes my blood boil. What on earth did Amber Rudd give that speech for in the Tory conference then? How did May herself agreed to give the speech she gave? They were trying to grab UKIP vote, she is a Remainer. So pandering to that racism was not populism? But the petition is populism?
It's all about money.

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Stilitzvert · 30/01/2017 21:51

I think she's doing a good job in difficult circumstances.

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nigelforgotthepassword · 30/01/2017 21:52

I think she's in a difficult postin as realistically we do need the trade and all that...and she's worried how she will be jailed if the economy is even more fucked up by her standing up to him.
However sometimes you have to stick your head above the parapet. And that's what she should do now. When I saw her holding hands with him on the news I actually swore at the TV because it was so bloody disappointing and so clearly the wrong thing for any sane human being to be doing.

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Valentine2 · 30/01/2017 21:52

stil
Please elaborate a little?

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IvorHughJarrs · 30/01/2017 21:53

Believe He won under the democratic system in place at the time. People need to work to change the system and insure this never happens again instead of sitting at home posting insulting memes on Facebook which is what most people I know seem to be doing

Absolutely agree with the "live by the sword" thing Valentine but have to remember that the Tories are unlikely to elect a female leader in anything other than truly precariious circumstances so I give her credit for being ambitious enough to take that chance and saving us from the other candidates who were infinitely worse

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maggiethemagpie · 30/01/2017 21:53

I think it is now very unfortunate for her that her name rhymes with appeaser.

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AddToBasket · 30/01/2017 21:55

I think weirdly people have completely forgotten what a total loose cannon Trump is.

Of course, Theresa May has to handle him carefully or he'll totally fuck us.

She is doing her best for her country. She doesn't support him in this ban. But she needs to work carefully in order to get effective results. Some of the sledgehammer responses are mad.

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MadameRaleuse · 30/01/2017 21:56

What exactly are we going to trade?

Our main trade is services, which rely on the deals we have with Europe.

Other than becoming a tax haven, which might be great for a few but definitely not for the majority, what exactly will we trade 5 years from now?

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Surreyblah · 30/01/2017 21:57

The NHS is already fucked!

"[Some] People, you have had your say but you are stupid; I refuse to press the Brexit button" Grin

Still an available option!

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Valentine2 · 30/01/2017 21:59

I think weirdly people have completely forgotten what a total loose cannon Trump is.

That doesn't make sense at all in the real world. He is not a loose cannon. He knows exactly what he wants and goes on to get it one way or the other.
Does May know what she wants and is ready to do anything for it? How would a Trump who puts import taxes is good for us compared to EU? And what about NHS? Is it worth saving or not?

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Believeitornot · 30/01/2017 22:02

Why would we increase our trade with America? What were the barriers preventing us from doing it in the first place?

We will still trade a hell of a lot with the EU.

As for trump winning - yes he won but with a distinct advantage in terms of digital marketing based on data gathered from social media. And we know he has been "loose" with the truth. Also he didn't win the popular vote which demonstrates that it was hardly a landslide. Just because he's won, it doesn't rule out questioning him every step of his presidency.

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Valentine2 · 30/01/2017 22:02

I think that for once we probably can make Prince Charles useful. Grin
Let's hope he annoys Trump way too much on his visit. When US shows her the middle finger, May might be pushed enough to stop Brexit and put more money into Brexit.
Otherwise we are mighty fucked because we have not got much to sell to a country like US and someone will have to become the scapegoat for the failure of Brexit.

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