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It's been just over a week, and what a week. Amazing. So good. The best.

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amispartacus · 28/01/2017 12:04

Follow up from previous thread.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2837382-Donald-Trump-the-first-week-is-BAD-What-next-Come-all-ye-Beautifuls?

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AcrossthePond55 · 29/01/2017 14:40

OMG, can you imagine ICE trolling through posts on MN to decide if any of you are 'fit' to enter the US? Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha!

"Sorry XXX, but ICE has determined that you are a gin-soaked, man-hating, equality-loving viper. Visa denied."

Shit, if they look through my social media and MN posts, I might just find myself deported. And I was BORN here!

BigBadgers · 29/01/2017 14:42

Everyone on this thread has already been blacklisted I imagine Grin

ZebraOwl · 29/01/2017 14:43

AcrossThePond
Do you fancy Canada? Am pretty sure Trudeau would welcome you with open arms...

ZebraOwl · 29/01/2017 14:43

(Or indeed vice versa...)

woman12345 · 29/01/2017 14:45

amispartacus Flowers

ZebraOwl · 29/01/2017 14:45

(Sorry, lowering the tone by several octaves there. Also, v frivolous. But he is awfully handsome. And seems like A Decent Chap.)

BigBadgers · 29/01/2017 14:47

I know this is a bit of a sidetrack, but I think the UK gov is using the US as a bit of a dead cat right now. They have finally admitted that NHS funding will be less per head next year than it is now. Funny how this is said just when everyone is facing the opposite direction. I wonder what other statements they are going to quietly release while this is going on?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nhs-cuts-spending-policies-theresa-may-jeremy-hunt-tories-labour-lib-dems-a7549686.html

woman12345 · 29/01/2017 14:51

NHS march Marc 4th London
Agree, watch out for quiet slipping out of bad news.

Chippednailvarnishing · 29/01/2017 14:51

I refuse to give my tourist dollars that would ultimately benefit the US economy and in turn Trump. I will also be boycotting big US firms unless I see them acting against him.

SanFranBear · 29/01/2017 14:56

Zebra - I totally would when it comes to Justin Trudeau. .. I think he's genuinely a great leader but that's purely from what I have read which buys into my bubble ie his cabinet actually represents the offices they hold, his recent Tweets and his overall stance on refugees, his tattoos Grin

BigBadgers · 29/01/2017 14:59

I'm putting this link on here just because I love the fact that teen Vogue has been a constant leader in the resistance against trump. Grin

Here is their list of trump's lies this week.
www.teenvogue.com/story/president-trump-told-these-lies-this-week?mbid=social_twitter

Lweji · 29/01/2017 15:01

More than US firms, particularly those owned by Trump or those he has stocks.

You can check his Financial Disclosure, even if he hasn't submitted his tax returns.

Sadly, we'll need to boycott things like Apple (fine by me) and Google.

ZebraOwl · 29/01/2017 15:01

BigBadgers

NHS cuts & idea of US companies being allowed to sneak in & dismember-dismantle our precious healthcare system... it makes me furious but also terrifies me as someone heavily reliant on a lot of NHS care.

Private companies absolutely rip the piss when dealing with the NHS - for example Nutricia, who supply tubefeed, routinely over-supply. And charge the NHS. And a driver told me that if it's gone out it will then be destroyed not re-used (& it doesn't have to be kept refrigerated or anything) even if delivery wasn't accepted & packs are all sealed etc. They'll also leave the stuff where it can be easily damaged (or stolen, though how disappointed would you be with that?!) so people have to order more & the NHS get charged again. They also send out one of their nurses to train you on using the pump. Thing is, I'd been taught to use the pump by the nurses on the ward. And they send nurses to see you at home (or don't, because Epic Admin Fail...) despite fact there are local Home Enteral Nutrition Support teams & District Nurses...

foxedkat · 29/01/2017 15:02

Sorry if this has already been posted.

Trump's Muslim ban is a dangerous distraction

By Suad Abdul Khabeer

On January 27, US President Donald Trump signed an executive order to make good on his promised Muslim Ban. One of the primary provisions of the order is a ban on visas to the US to nationals from seven countries: Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen, which are all Muslim-majority nations.

There is something peculiar about this list. The draft of the executive order begins by citing 9/11 as a failure of the "visa-issuance process". It blames the state department for preventing "counselor officers from properly scrutinizing the visa applications of several of the 19 foreign nationals who went on to murder 3000 Americans."

The overwhelming majority of those individuals were from Saudi Arabia, yet, Saudi Arabia is not on the list. Furthermore, when it comes to "homegrown terrorism" of all the Muslims accused, charged, convicted and killed, some of them are from these seven countries in Trump's list and some are not, some are immigrants and some are American citizens, and a number of them have been entrapped by federal law-enforcement agencies. This either means that the list needs to be much longer or there is something more than national security concerns at play.

Trump promised a "Muslim Ban" as part of his election strategy. He got support for his unlikely candidacy by fomenting the already seething tide of anti-Muslim racism in the US. The way anti-Muslim racism works is that Islam and Muslims are a bogeyman, hated and feared because of how they are "different", i.e. by how they look and what they do. Muslims are bogeymen not solely because some Muslims are guilty of violent acts against Americans.

As was reported not too long after white supremacist Dylann Roof killed nine black Americans in Charleston, white Americans cause the largest numbers of American deaths by terrorist acts on US soil. Yet unsurprisingly, Trump has not signed any executive orders specifically targeting white Americans. This is because Islam and Muslims have been "othered" - made to be seen as distinctly and most despicably bad and evil in the popular imagination.

Violence against women, honour killings in particular, is cited two times in the draft as something from which the US government is obliged to protect Americans. This specific practice of violence against women has been sutured to Arabs and Muslims in popular conversation. It builds on a broader narrative that Muslim women are oppressed by the men in their lives, their families and the religion they follow, and they need saving - by the US.

Recall, Laura Bush's call to support the invasion of Afghanistan to save Muslim women. By explicitly including honour killings, Trump is basically telling his supporters "I told you I'd do something about this bogeyman and look, I am." And this something is doubly significant for people who believe we need to "make America great again", because it is not only standing against the evils of "Islamic extremism", but it is allegedly standing up for democracy and freedom.

It feeds into an idea that violence against women is a particularly Muslim thing, due to their backwards culture. Yet in the US, every minute nearly 20 people, the majority of whom women, are victims of intimate partner abuse. However, Trump is not ramping up protections for violence against women here at home.

In fact, while he is marking himself the anti-honour killings crusader abroad, he is cutting funding for the Office on Violence Against Women. This means cuts to programmes around the country that try to prevent domestic violence and provide services, like transitional housing and legal aid - services that would surely be of benefit to the white and working-class women among Trump's supporters.

Smoke and mirrors

Trump also promised jobs and to that end, he signed an executive order to push forward the Dakota Access Pipeline. But of all the jobs he promises, only about 40 will be permanent, which is peculiar considering Trump supporters presumably want permanent work.

He also promised to protect Americans from the scourge of illegal immigration by building a wall. He signed that executive order this week and missing from much of that fanfare is the small detail that taxpayers, and not Mexico, will be footing part of the bill.

And while there has yet to be an executive order, Trump's recent declaration that he would send the "feds" to Chicago to stop what he called "American carnage" at his inauguration, only thinly veils the real objective: militarisation on the home front. And while that will initially target those living in the 'scary' inner cities, it will ultimately compromise the liberty his supporters hold so dear.

So, what is at play here? Trump is continuing what he started on the campaign trail. He is tapping into the fear that breeds the kind of xenophobia that gets folks excited about walls and bans, only to distract them from all the promises he won't be keeping.

In this way, these moves are a bunch of smoke and mirrors, for which Trump has become pretty famous. However, that doesn't mean these distractions aren't dangerous. Indeed, they are. They are a danger to the communities of colour they target. Likewise, they are dangerous for Trump supporters who will find that even with bans and walls, they will still be left behind.

www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2017/01/trump-muslim-ban-dangerous-distraction-170128144523073.html

Monkeyinshoes · 29/01/2017 15:03

Someone's tweeted a video of the defend Trump advert that's appearing on US TV.

twitter.com/jess4_rk/status/825358392575266816

TheBestMostYugePetition · 29/01/2017 15:09

A new petition! I saw people were disputing the wording in the original, so here's another version. The original has got to its target and then some so doesn't need any more help IMO...

Click this link to sign the petition:
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178991/sponsors/wNtuRhAQTXGd4eN5fBTx

My petition:

Prevent Donald Trump from entering the United Kingdom as US President

Donald Trump should not be allowed to enter the UK whilst representing the United States of America as its elected President. We feel that such a visit would indicate our country's tacit approval for his policies; this is emphatically not the case for a large number of Britons.

What can I quote that won't be derided as 'fake news'?! The number of attendees for the Women's March on London (and elsewhere) illustrates the very high levels of antipathy felt by our population towards the new US president. If further evidence is required, please seek out a reputable newspaper, turn on your televsion or have a browse on Twitter (do that last one first; it would be hilarious if not so horrifying).

amispartacus · 29/01/2017 15:09

He's tweeted about Christians being executed in the Middle East. What about Muslims, Jews and atheists.

Or is it only Christians he cares about?

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squishysquirmy · 29/01/2017 15:20

So much happening, so fast!
Lweji, I know it was pages and pages ago but I completely understand what you mean re fire alarms and carelessness around matches. It is very frustrating to warn someone of fire hazards, and have them ignore you. I only meant that for now, we should be careful of discouraging anyone from speaking up.

Are the Yemen strikes a new direction, or a continuation of the drone strikes that had already taken place?

squishysquirmy · 29/01/2017 15:26

One danger of ground strikes, is the risk of servicemen being captured. Isis do not just behead their captives, but have been known to burn them alive. I worry about the escalation that will occur if this happens (and that risk is greatly increased by ground strikes). Hell, Trump would probably tweet the link to the video if this occurred. Then exploit the rage of the American public to do whatever it is he wants.

Lweji · 29/01/2017 15:26

Are the Yemen strikes a new direction, or a continuation of the drone strikes that had already taken place?

Yemen has been a target area for Saudi Arabia in the recent past. I suspect that's why it's in the ban list. Because it's a source of refugees.

I don't know if it has been mentioned, but a US soldier died and three were wounded in the raid.

I suspect such attack was already being planned or under discussion during Obama, but he'd have left it to the next President to decide.

We may read between the lines here:

One U.S. service member was killed and three were wounded during an operation targeting al Qaeda militants in Yemen, according to statement from the Pentagon.

"We are deeply saddened by the loss of one of our elite service members," said Commander of U.S. Central Command Gen. Joseph Votel. "The sacrifices are very profound in our fight against terrorists who threaten innocent peoples across the globe," he added.

TheDrsDocMartens · 29/01/2017 15:29

I thought Google were ok as they've made anti Trump comments. Saw something about Amazon supporting staff stuck in Limbo too.
Not sure about Apple.

Lweji · 29/01/2017 15:31

Worth reading about Yemen

And yes, terrorist groups, such as Al Qaeda have been taking hold.

But it's not military raids that will eliminate them. Give Yemen peace and maybe terrorists won't be able to gain ground.

Livelovebehappy · 29/01/2017 15:32

Trump is only delivering on the promises he made to the people of the USA pre election. It was the promises he made that won him the election, so why be surprised that he is now making them a reality?? It does seem that on a lot of forums in the USA, the majority of people are very much behind him.

Lweji · 29/01/2017 15:33

TheDrsDocMarten

Not seriously recommending boycotting Google. :)
But Trump does own some stocks.
Much more of Apple, though.

The thing is that it will be hard to boycott American products and companies. The're bloody everywhere.

Even those that have links to Trump.

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