Furious: Girl Guides now admitting boys

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Sorry for DM link but this is important. Brownies and Guides are going to admit boys if they identify as girls. Girls will have to share 'single sex' facilities including tents & changing rooms with them. Parents won't be told. Oh, and men who identify as women can become Brownie & Guide leaders, where they will get to supervise girls in those tents, changing rooms etc.

How is this possible? There is an epidemic of sexual abuse. We are still in the fall-out of Rotherham, Saville etc yet we are enabling men to have access to every safe space for girls. AIBU?

Is this definitely true?

Just that I called up my DD's rainbows organiser and she didn't have a clue?

Another space where girls are expected to move aside for men's/boys feelings in a small space that was previously for females only in this male dominated world.

From all directions women are fucked over by men, for men. From the far right to the liberal left.

Women know your place.

A Virgin Lit the Candle

Have you seen the DSM definition of Dysphoria. I was misgendered til I was 14 as people thought I was a boy, I was just a tomboy, I also had a very sexist upbringing and wasn't too keen on being a girl. I'm fine now, feminism helped me get my head on straight.

I'll see if I can upload the file.

Yes it's definitely true, I've seen an email from GGs to a parent friend of mine, which is how I heard about it. From their website:

Membership of Girlguiding
Membership of Girlguiding is decided based on gender identity. This is understood in terms of the way a person self-identifies their gender identity – a person’s inner sense of self. If a young person
identifies as female then they are able to join any of our youth sections appropriate to their age.

We understand that if a young member is transitioning from female to another gender identity, they will be experiencing a great amount of change and uncertainty. It may be that they would be better
supported in an organisation that is available to all genders. However, flexibility and the Leaders’ discretion, in conversation with the parents, can be used to determine how long the child stays within the unit.

If an adult self-identifies as female they are able to undertake all adult roles in guiding and may, if they wish, make their Promise.
If an adult self-identifies as not being female then they are able to take volunteer roles that do not require them to complete a Leadership Qualification or to make their Promise. This includes the role
of Unit Helper and support roles such as Adviser or Coordinator.
If an adult member self-identifies as non-binary they are still a valued and appreciated member of Girlguiding. They are able to take any role that does not require them to make the Promise.
For more information, see Girlgiding’s Equality and Diversity Policy

however we can term gender by the male and female hormones as we all begin life with a nub that depending on the amount of hormone released and when will become our sex organs and then later another flush of hormones will link our brain in line with these. Easy to see then how a person given the wrong hormone could become misaligned with their physical body.

Sounds like a big steaming pile of pseudoscience to me.

I mean WTAF is an 'inner sense' of being a woman? Honestly! Being a woman is xx chromosomes, and secondary sex characteristics, and that's IT.

Let's take me, Rose West, Myra Hindley, the Queen, Kim Kardashian and Beoyonce.

What do we all have in common?
Can we all sing?
All we are child serial killers?
Do we have a fondness for hats and twin sets?
Do we all dance in leotards?
Do we all have chronically low self esteem and seek validation from putting pics of our bum on the internet?

What do all of us have in common?

We are all WOMEN, biologically, and that's ALL (and in the case of Rose West and Myra Hindley, thank GOD that's all we have in common).

Women don't walk around 'feeling' like women, we feel like PEOPLE. We should be teaching our girls the same.

Uh Oh, the MRA has arrived, anyone talking Brain Sex is a woman hater! And certainly should not have ANY SAY in what we teach girls.

Anyway, my poor wandering lady brain is very tired, I'm off to watch kittens on the internet ...

I still have no clue what "feeling like a woman" is supposed to mean.

Oh and transwomen don't have the monopoly on feeling like 'they are in the wrong body'!!!

All women feel like that, it's called being socialised as female in a sexist culture. See here fairplayforwomen.com/owns-woman-feels-like-wrong-body

Somebody has just commented on an Everyday Feminism post on Facebook that anyone who identifies as a woman is a real woman.

Seriously

AVirgin etc

Me either, what does 'feels like a woman' mean, trans women feel like their IDEA of a woman ... they have an IDEA of what women are. That's not what women are.

Speaking of MRA's, it's actually quite scary how similar the trans activist movement is to the MRA movement.

Both seem to utterly despise women.

Can I also point out that 'dysphoria' doesn't mean trans, or wrong bodied, or anything like that. Being dysphoric about a body part means you hate it and it makes you unhappy. You can be dysphoric about under developed breasts, or a disproportionate bum, or a very large nose, or burn scarring, or anything at all. Millions of women are dysphoric about their bodies. But call it sex or gender dysphoria and it becomes a magical diagnosis that means that boys who hate their penis or girls who strap down their breasts are actually the opposite sex inside. No.

And yes they do, Transactivism is the trojan horse of the MRAs. The kickback after the woman's march today, all the complaints of 'cissexism' cos women talk about FGM, abortion or whatever was absolutely disgusting.

Fortunately, hopefully it'll hasten PEAK TRANS in the general population and this lunacy will be over.

Self Identification is the biggest threat to women's rights and gay rights in our lifetime. Women need to wake up. And more importantly protect their kids, particularly their daughters.

I wonder is a little Jack more or less likely to be a rapist if he is separated from girls when he is growing up.

Or maybe learning that girls are normal people and he has 'normal' interactions with them when he is growing up will make it less likely he will abuse them.

And what does it to to girls as they are growing up if you teach them they have to be segregated from men in case they are abusive.

Thank you for that definition Gallavich I didn't know that. In which case I am dysphoric about my calves, ankles and 'love handles'.

However I am astute enough to know that my dysphoria is socially or culturally constructed on a male-perpetrated definition of the 'ideal woman'.

If you are dysphoric about your body because you reject the sex you were born in, obviously you are comparing it to some kind of ideal' that you see around you. Therefore this is also socially or culturally induced dysphoria.

So what does this lead us to conclude on theories of 'brain sex'? Also, how should this culturally induced dysphoria be treated? Medically, or psychologically?

Or maybe learning that girls are normal people and he has 'normal' interactions with them when he is growing up will make it less likely he will abuse them.

Yes of course - that's what all rapists have in common. They grew up entirely separated from women.

Oh wait...

I wonder is a little Jack more or less likely to be a rapist if he is separated from girls when he is growing up. Or maybe learning that girls are normal people and he has 'normal' interactions with them when he is growing up will make it less likely he will abuse them.

Yes because everyone knows that all rapists grew up in alternative reality where they never interacted with women...

Girlguiding has always been a single sex organisation and people have joined it on that basis. Don't you think it would have been fair for members to have been consulted before changing the entire ethos of the movement? I am a Guider partly because is is single sex, seeing the difference in the girls over the course of a week's camp away from boys is great. They relax more, worry less about what other people are thinking until the last day when they are getting picked up and all of a sudden revert back to the expectations of the male gaze. We have welcomed girls from all backgrounds and tried to give them confidence in themselves and taught them that being a girl doesn't mean that you have to act a certain way or like certain things. I took my Guides air rifle shooting this summer, they really enjoyed it and they were also playing in the woods, climbing, building fires and dens etc. Girlguiding is currently having a big push to be more adventurous but they didn't say that would be achieved by letting in boys.

On residentials if males are present (helpers or leaders' children) then we have to have separate sleeping and washing facilities for them. Parents are fully informed that males will be there and can make informed decisions based on that. The new ruling will allow males to sleep in the same room as girls without parents necessarily being aware as in some venues there is only one room suitable for sleeping so girls and leaders sleep in the same room (usually at different ends or sides of the room).

The objection is not that all trans people are paedophiles, that seems to be trotted out on every thread to try and shut down those with any reservations despite us saying that is not what we think. My priority is to my girls and how I can safeguard them when an obvious male has to be separated and parents informed (even if they are a 4yo at a Guide residential) but a trans person can be in with them no problem and I can't inform parents that this will be happening. Units do link up with others for residentials so it is perfectly possible that a unit with no trans members will link up with one that does and the parents of one unit will have no idea. How can parents and girls make informed choices if they don't have all the facts?

Because the only way to interact with girls is to force yourself into their space. It's not like most schools, sports clubs etc are mixed

FFS

nappies and Girl Scout

Great posting.

OMG trans kids exist! Call the police! Call the army! They shouldn't be allowed! Transgirls/women are all predatory perverts!

Bigoted bollocks and yet again mumsnet lets it slide.

even if they are a 4yo at a Guide residential

4 year olds wouldn't be in the Guides