To wonder when this became 'non binary'

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Or pansgender/grey gender/non binary etc?
I was chatting to a vague work colleague - works in a different site 50 miles away.
she believes she is non binary,
This is because she does not
Wear dresses, skirts, heels, makeup.
Prefers hoodies and jeans and trainers.
Enjoys riding a motorcycle and doing 'outdoorsy' things.
AIBU to wonder when this became any number of 101 labels and not just women doing things they're perfectly entitled to do in their lives?
I'm trying to do some research for a more in depth look at what nonbinary actually is...

This bloody site hates me - this is my third try at posting!!

I can load shotgun, string and shoot a bow.
Wire and plug and plumb in a washing machine.
Fix almost anything that might normally go wrong with a bicycle.
Also cook, crochet and sew.

I'd have been dubbed 'gender non-conforming' as a muddy child clutching a toy car. As it is, I'm a straight woman.

I'm sure that there are people who feel that they're in the wrong body. If they're prepared to deal with the hormones and the surgery, I wish them well.

But as for the dozens of different genders now on offer: it's just attention-seeking snowflakery. Gender rules are there to be broken. Just break the bloody things and stop expecting a medal for how right-on you are.

Too much glamour these days is attached to just being full of shit.

I think gender fluid/nonbinary etc just cements the stereotypes of male and female because it says that if you don't fit the stereotype then you're something different.

I'm a lesbian. I'm not feminine (but I'm not butch either). I'm definitely female though.

As far as I know- people want to be classified by what they identify as (?!) .... I identify with being a millionaire lol... Am not though 😖 lol sorry (lighthearted not offensive)

I think gender fluid/nonbinary etc just cements the stereotypes of male and female because it says that if you don't fit the stereotype then you're something different.

Me too.

I'm hoping that the idea of gender becomes so stretched, with so many options, that it becomes untenable and the whole thing is quietly dropped except maybe for a few die-hards who are smirked at indulgently.

I think eventually it won't be enough for the attention seekers and they'll have to find something else.

As far as I know- people want to be classified by what they identify as (?!) .... I identify with being a millionaire lol... Am not though 😖 lol sorry (lighthearted not offensive)

That's trans-financial

I am female but not feminine.
I was definitely a tomboy growing up - I preferred boys clothes and games. I still dress more boyish as I am not comfortable in skirts or dresses.

AAAARGH! I come back and find that my lost posts have ALL posted!

Apologies, folks.

Nataleejah

I believe i'm feminine enough. I'm a wife and a mother. The fact that i played with guns and cars in pre-school days doesn't change anything.

I'm not equating sex to gender. Nor am i confused about the difference. Yes I'm well aware that gender now means who you feel you are or aren't mentally. But traditionally it was a term used interchangeably with sex. Even finding out the sex of a baby was known as the gender scan up until recently times. Once all this gender madness took off suddenly it was said the two are separate. I just don't feel like humouring those who have warped beliefs about what gender means. We have been brainwashed as a society to believe they are different things these days. It's seen as politically incorrect to view them as the same. I've been told on 4 occasions that your sex and gender are different on Mumsnet now. No they really aren't.

No they really aren't.

Yes they really are. And being used interchangeably is a very recent thing since people decided "sex" was a dirty word.

Nope.

This is something I've wondered as I fit in that category. I've seen a higher incidence in teen girls thinking omg I don't fit the standards for a girl, therefore when I want to dress girly I'm a girl, when I want to wear a hoodie and jeans I'm a boy.
To me it's confusing as I don't even think about my gender, but I'd say I was masculine, never wear girly stuff, enjoy non typical girl stuff. So am I am man?
Then you think about it some more, I'm still a woman, women are allowed to dress how they please, enjoy hobbies of all sorts. It shouldn't define you.
I've read and heard of girls going as far as choosing a non binary name, parents being beyond confused and sticking their ground.
I think the variables do add complexity into our DC lives. Unless they straight out say like on of the Jolie-Pitt children, ok I feel I'm the opposite gender, then obviously that should be supported in whatever means necessary.
But this in between, which how it's been described to me, the DC chooses her gender each day and even goes by different pronouns. I think it's they/them, which confuses me even more.

Sex and gender are different

You can't just change the meaning of words unilaterally and expect everyone to just go along with you...

TBH even if I fit in some different bracket, I'm at the age where it has such little impact, I don't think I'd act on it.

bauble

I dont recognise that at all

When ds2 (13) was still inside me it was deffo a sex scan and everyone wanted to know the sex of the baby

I think this whole gender thing has only been mainstream for a small period of time (refuses to be drawn on exactly how long)

Its all bollocks anyway...trying to force people into ever smaller gender stereotypical boxes and wondering why people wont fit

See, it definitely is interchangable. Only a couple of weeks ago my midwife asked me if I knew the gender of my unborn child. Not sex, gender. Yes I'm well aware these days it's becoming more and more incorrect.

Gender's primary meaning is still linguistic, according to the Oxford English Dictionary. You know, how some languages have masculine and feminine words? Yeah. That's gender.

Biological sex, ie. MALE or FEMALE is dependant on what is between your legs. Intersex or hermaphrodite is the word for the more unusual mixes, or combinations of MALE and FEMALE biology.

The words man, woman, boy, girl etc are the words we use for human animals who are biologically MALE or FEMALE. Just as we use Queen for a female cat and Tom for a male, ewe for a female sheep and ram for a male, etc.

Gender in social terms is the stereotypes associated culturally with an individuals BIOLOGICAL SEX. ie. Women where heels and red lipstick, men earn the big bucks and drink scotch. Culturally we should be moving away from these stereotypes, we cannot however move away from male and female, since those are literally just a description of what you keep in your pants.

we cannot however move away from male and female, since those are literally just a description of what you keep in your pants.

No, but now apparently you can be either even if that's not what's in your pants. When a person suffers gender dysphoria it's not all about social stereotype, it's about their physical sex too and how they are repulsed. To me that is true gender dysphoria. Not all the none binary crap

Women where heels and red lipstick, men earn the big bucks and drink scotch.
Cultures don't stand still and fashions change all the time. There were times when powdered wigs and high heels were very masculine.

No, you can't.
If a person is repulsed by their biological sex, then that is one thing. What we used to call transsexual. I have several friends who are either mtf or ftm, have under gone surgery, and changed their bodies through surgery to more closely represent their "true" sex.

Fine. I can totally understand that, and I support anyone who is having to go through that.

Confusing being literally in the wrong body with wanting to wear things that are socially aligned with people with the other body parts is madness! Anyone can wear what ever they like. Men wanting to wear skirts and women wanting to wear trousers is not a sign of being in the wrong body. It's a sign of our culture being too narrow.