To wonder when this became 'non binary'

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Or pansgender/grey gender/non binary etc?
I was chatting to a vague work colleague - works in a different site 50 miles away.
she believes she is non binary,
This is because she does not
Wear dresses, skirts, heels, makeup.
Prefers hoodies and jeans and trainers.
Enjoys riding a motorcycle and doing 'outdoorsy' things.
AIBU to wonder when this became any number of 101 labels and not just women doing things they're perfectly entitled to do in their lives?
I'm trying to do some research for a more in depth look at what nonbinary actually is...

There does seem to be a need to ladel people recently. Don't get it myself, I don't recall all females wearing pretty dresses, makeup and heels and all males only doing manly men stuff when I was in my teens. People had a sexuality, bi, straight or gay - and any one from these groups could like or wear whatever.

Seems odd women declaring 'non-binary'. Society (on a whole) has been for a while confitavle with football loving women, or women not wearing dresses. I can get it for men, men liking or doing 'women' stuff is less accepted still.

I've a friend who had a celebration because her 10 year old 'came' out as pansexual. Felt like I'd missed something as I didn't get the excitement over it - asked why a 10 year old could just be what they were without having to stick a name to it!!!

Anybody look at that image and see this one... (or is that just my ladybrain talking?)

Dd 1 was playing with cars and tractors and Lego bionicles in the 90s she was still a girl now she loves her car and driving for work

Being and feeling non-binary is so much more than that I thought? It is feeling as though you aren't either gender not just not fitting a stereotype

Gender is a stereotype...

10yr old pansexual Jesus. Wept.

I don't understand how on one hand we can be encouraging the idea that there are not boy's toys and girls toys, and that you can dress your baby boy in pink. Then on the other hand encourage a young person to think they are confused about their gender just because they don't conform to a certain stereotype.

If little boys can play with dolls and still be a little boy, I'm fine if a man wants to have a beard and wear a dress and still be a man. If this man wants to call himself Danielle, that's fine too. He doesn't need to be considered and treated as a woman.

Gender is just stereotyping. When you remove biology from the equation how else can you determine whether you identify as male, female or non-binary if you have no reference points for those things?

We've recently had individual toilets installed at work which have a sign on the door containing four symbols: A male figure, a female figure, a trans figure (half a skirt!) and a wheelchair. It's like you have to look at it and check you are one of those things before going in - when it could just say 'toilet' or have a symbol of a bloody bog on it.

I'm non binary too by the looks of it...
Do I get a badge?

I'm going to make a "Womanhood is a state of body, not a state of mind" one.

Will one of those do?

Maybe it's like the trend for flexitarianism or part time vegans.

Because apparently if you don't eat animal products in every single meal, your eating habits must bear a attention seeking label. Before all this came along, people just had beans on toast or falafels for lunch because that's what they fancied eating.

When you say the words 'i am a woman/female', does it feel true?
Or does it feel a bit weird and uncomfortable and not really you?

That's the simplest way I can put the blurry spectrum of gender.

What the fuck is pansexual, and why does anybody need to know the ins and outs of their 10 year old's sexual orientation; let alone hold a fucking celebration when they regurgitate what's been fed to them come out with shit like that??

Barbara, really ? I've clearly been under a stone or something as I have never heard those terms. I had to go and read about people "identifying" as flexitarians. I'm sure that just used to be that you didn't have meat with every meal

That presupposes that you actually know how it feels to be a woman, Rixera. I just know how it feels to be me; I have no clue how the other billions of women on the planet feel, or if my experience of "being a woman" is in line with everyone else's.

Pansexual = attracted to all genders

Basically it's bisexualism for snowflakes

What strikes me most is that the vast majority if NonBinary, Gender fluid, etc.
All seem to be young females that have short hair and wear men's shirts.
There's not many younger males that are adoptiopng style of dress if females and saying they're Gender Neutral.

Surely if it was more than a fad oif style there would be a more even balance between males and females adopting traits of the other? Is it not just that the name has changed and what once were 'Tomboys' are now 'NonBinary, androgynous, gender fluid etc etc?

Not that I'm an expert obviously.

Rixera I'm a woman, but not really sure how 'true' is supposed to feel? I'm genuinely curious when I hear people describe how they feel wrong in their bodies; I can't imagine what that is like. I'm not a girly girl but I've never therefore felt the need to label myself as anything else.
However, surely wanting to identify as a different gender/not as a woman in itself propagates the idea that being female means something beyond having ovaries etc.?

FloggingMolly The singer from Christine and the Queen described using the term 'pansexual' to mean she loves who she loves rather than men/women etc. I rather liked her explanation, but it's still something that ideally shouldn't be needed.

Ooh, I've learnt something new! Apparently I'm a flexitarian!

Floggingmolly, I do feel she is being feed this - this 10 year old is quite precious, always has been, when she talks to you it's always been 'mature'.

Pansexual is being attracted to people regardless of their gender or sex. My 10 year old hasn't a clue about his sexuality (mind you I've not asked him!)

I'm honestly no expert, being cisgendered, but I take it as the opposite to how I feel;
If I introduce myself as Miss Rix. Or tick the box as 'female'. Or say I'm a woman. Well, that's just true and ordinary. But to my trans friends (one ftm, one mtf) it always felt wrong. As if they were introducing themselves as hello, I am an Imposter, my gender is Cat. Just not really true.

And I only know one non binary person but it seems to be a similar deal. I'm a woman (but not really.) It just feels wrong to say it/identify as it. So they don't. And we call them a them.

Oh, and sexuality and the fluidity of that is so personal everyone's opinion will differ. I remember looking at girls and thinking they were so special and pretty when I was younger, I just wanted to be around them and didn't really get it because I thought 'im not attracted to them because I'm straight'... Took ages for the penny to drop that actually maybe I am not straight and that's why I'm attracted to them -_-

Rix I know I'm a woman in the same way I know the kitchen table is wooden. It's not a feeling thing.

Why are you authoratitively telling us how the "blurry spectrum of gender" "feels" and conflating it with sex based on no relevant experience at all?

Everything is meaningless except biological sex.

The rest is stereotypes and tautologies and alphabet soup.

We go on like this and we are heading for societal collapse. Identity politics is a scourge that dupes people into thinking that more and more definitions and subsets and false science is liberating.

It is the very epitome of selfish myopia.

Be afraid. Seriously.

Rixera but does that mean your friends would feel happier ticking the 'male' box? If so, what is it about being 'male' that feels more real? If not, then I'm even more confused.
(I'm not really expecting an explanation, just pondering out loud.)

I am not a fashion make up person
Today I bot really annoyed because I got a sportswear promo from a company I do normally use, the woman in the picture has full make up, be hair and big earrings. It's stereotypes like this that drive me nuts. I suppose they've gone so far that some women prefer the term non binary . Ugh. It's all just stereotyping.