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To ditch lifelong friends, or am i being 'touchy'? Long, sorry!

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ElllaKeat · 16/01/2017 18:45

This story has been festering with me for a couple of days now, so sorry for the long tale, but need proper feedback.

Backstory is i have a prominent and ugly mastectomy scar. Usually it is covered, but to be honest it does not bother ne if it is revealed, i dont flaunt it, but do not feel embarrassed if it is visible. It is just part of me and after 2 seperate mastectomies, chemotherapy, radiotherapy and delayed reconstructions, i am just happy to be healthy and still alive!

Me and DH have 6 lifelong friends - three married coupes. We have known them all for over thirty years and our social lives mainly involve them. We meet up roughly once a month, for everyones birthday, at Christmas etc. We have always gotten on well, had the usual niggles with each other, but as a crowd, we have all been accepting of each others quirks.

On Friday it was my birthday. We all got together for a meal on Friday night and i wore a new top that i loved. Slightly lower cut than normal, it still covered my scar.......until it kept slipping down had a bloody life of its own. If and when i noticed, i hitched my top up again and thought nothing more of it. DH and i went to the bar whilst waiting for the starters to be served to organise some bubbly and when we came back the atmosphere had changed, i knew something was not right. Things just felt a bit off.

Chatting was fine, on the surface, everything seemed okay, but i just had a feeling that something was wrong.

Anyway, after main course, i nipped to the loo and the woman i would consider my closest friend followed me in. She offered me a clean vest top she had in her gym bag in her car, to wear under my top because she said she could see i was uncomfortable during dinner.

I thought she was being thoughtful and said no, i was fine, it really didnt bother me. She then said 'well it may not bother you, but it bothers us. We dont really want to be looking at that whilst eating - not like you to flaunt it in our faces Ella. You really should think of covering it up. You know we love you, just want everyone, including you to feel comfortable '

I went back into the cubicle and bawled my eyes out, i felt so crap.

Went back to the restaurant but could not make eye contact with anyone and made an excuse to leave as soon as the meal was over.

DH kept asking if i was okay and when i told him he thinks i took it the wrong way and it was concern for me that prompted the loo talk. But it wasnt, i know that. He says if he thought for one minute our friends were that shallow he would firstly tell them what shits they were then never speak to them again, but he cant believe there was any malice in it. But there was. WHY would anyone, let alone a 'friend' tell me to cover up my battle scars?

Or have i really got it wrong?

I fluctuate between being embarrassed, angry and hurt and have lost the plot as to which is the appropriate emotion.

Help me sort this out please.

OP posts:
NotYoda · 16/01/2017 19:50

I can't get my head round someone saying that to a friend. Or to anyone. No thought for you; only themselves

I would have to tell her how it made me feel - and that would not be easy for me but if it were someone I cared enough to keep seeing then I think it would get between us.

I wonder if it would be hard for you too. The fact you hid your tears and made excuses to leave makes me think it would be hard for you to confront.

You are justified in feeling angry, and asserting your right to tell her how shit it made you feel.

Sara107 · 16/01/2017 19:50

It was mean of her, having offered the vest she should have left it at that. People ( including your dh by the sounds of it) are trying to explain her comments as concern for you, but I think cancer makes people very uncomfortable. And I think she meant exactly what she said, they did not want to see the scar.
My dad had a close shave with heart disease but was saved by a bypass and then got cancer a few years later. My mum said that everybody (neighbours etc) rallied around for the heart episode, but they were basically avoided like lepers when he had cancer. I think people are very frightened of it and actually also horrified and revolted by the effects. Where you see a brave, strong body that has kept going and recovered to give you precious more years of life, your friends are seeing ugliness and mutilation that they would prefer not to know about.
I hope your friends get in touch to apologise when they've had a chance to think things through. And please don't feel you have to hide your body away, you are an inspiration and hope to anyone facing cancer diagnosis and treatment.

PoohBearsHole · 16/01/2017 19:50

congratulations on the all clear 🙂

sometimes the way we try and put things across comes out badly, even though unintentional.

maybe the husbands are uncomfortable? my bf dh was hugely uncomfortable with me breastfeeding. i called him out on it several times, he couldn't tell me why, he just said he was and can uodnt help it. i was massively unimpressed BUT he's never been a boob ogler and as i introduced them as he'd been my friend for a v long time, he just didn't feel comfortable. sometimes it came across badly from him though.

talk to her, 30 years is a long friendship, it could be an misunderstanding/ too much alcohol not helping.

WallToWallDrugs · 16/01/2017 19:51

How horrible! I've had a mastectomy and I'm so Angry on your behalf. YANBU, ditch them and get better new friends.

MrTCakes · 16/01/2017 19:52

Yanbu.
Congratulations on your good news Flowers

DistanceCall · 16/01/2017 19:53

Appalling. Ditch them. Bitches.

GTS · 16/01/2017 19:55

wow, I'm really blown away by the epic insensitivity of your friends.
you are an epic warrior queen, and as your friend I would be proud of your scars and eternally grateful that you are still around to have a birthday to celebrate.
I think you need to express to them just how much they have hurt you.
Sorry OP, think you need to get some nicer friends.

NotYoda · 16/01/2017 19:55

.... and yes, I think you would be justified in ditching them now if you want to, or if you decided to confront and didn't get exactly the response you want

Mrskeats · 16/01/2017 19:56

I'm with bitches I'm afraid.
I can't imagine any way this was kindly meant.

eddielizzard · 16/01/2017 19:56

i'd be incredibly hurt. your scar is part of you, to be accepted and loved as part of what you've gone through.

but these friends are very old friends. i think if you can bring yourself to talk this through it's worth salvaging? after so long surely you can say what you feel? your friend did after all. they need to understand your point of view. they can still accept how you feel. things may be awkward for a bit, but then settle down again.

and don't back down on showing your scar. keep doing it, gently. they do need to get over it.

Daydream007 · 16/01/2017 19:58

How awful, I'd be upset by her comments too especially with what you have been through. You should be proud of your scar, it symbolises the strength you have for surviving the operation and treatments you've had to save your life!

Nofunkingworriesmate · 16/01/2017 19:59

You definitely need to let "spokes friend " know how her comment made you feel just in the slightest case there's been a misunderstanding.
its a good test, ifs she's a good friend she will be mortified she has caused so much pain and do everything to make it up to you

clumsyduck · 16/01/2017 19:59

If she felt that you were uncomfortable fine . You stated you weren't so what the hell is it to do with them ? I don't understand

Sorry this happened op Flowers

Disabrie22 · 16/01/2017 20:00

I've got a big surgical scar and I never cover it up and have had comments etc - you can't spend your life like that - don't even bother. I second the person who suggested a prompt text to find out if they are really that nasty - I think you need to see if they are - and show your husband they are - so you can start putting less emphasis on this group in your life. Here's a quote for you: "Don't be afraid of your scars, from here on your way to the stars."

DearMrDilkington · 16/01/2017 20:00

Ditch them, they sound incredibly shallow.

How would they react if one of you ended up with a large burn scar on the face where it couldn't be hidden?

Honestly, if I was your friend and I noticed your scar I'd just think of what you went through and how lucky I was to be able to have dinner with you still.

helpimitchy · 16/01/2017 20:01

Wow, would they expect a person with a facial scar to wear a paper bag over their head? Shock Hmm

DearMrDilkington · 16/01/2017 20:02

P.s - please don't be upset about it!! If anything feel relieved you've seen their true colours.Flowers

ShebaShimmyShake · 16/01/2017 20:03

Let me get this straight. You're a cancer and double mastectomy survivor and this nasty bint is telling you off because this all makes HER uncomfortable?

If I were in her situation, even if I did feel uncomfortable seeing your scar, I'd just think "well, after everything she's been through it's not about me, I'll just keep my eyes on her face".

What a fucking mare.

Atenco · 16/01/2017 20:05

I don't know, OP. Only one person spoke to you. Possibly the others had thought you would want to cover up and mentioned it, while the comment about their being embarrassed was her extrapolating.

weebarra · 16/01/2017 20:05

That's really awful. I've had a bilateral mastectomy, I have a scar on my chest where my port went in, and I also have scars on my neck from radiotherapy.
I often get quite paranoid when I've picked the wrong top and have left scars (and gaps) visible iyswim, my friends all tell me it's fine, they can't see anything and if they could it wouldn't matter.

hollinhurst84 · 16/01/2017 20:05

Rude. My friend has a lot of scars from a car accident including on her face. They don't bother me, they just remind me she survived and is still here to spend time with me

yellowfrog · 16/01/2017 20:15

What a bloody cow! The fact she used the word "flaunt" is what I think really tips it over the edge. If they genuinely were having issues with seeing scars then they would have been a hell of a lot more subtle and polite ("we're really sorry, it's us not you, would you cover the scar cos it reminds us of mortality, sorry, sorry" etc). "Flaunt" is a word people use to describe what people do with positive things, not bloody having had cancer. Anyone who can tell anyone, never mind their friend, that they are flaunting the fact they had cancer deserves kicking to the curb.

In short, you're not being daft; that woman is being a bitch. I would maybe consider contacting the others to see if they were actually discussing it. I have a hard time thinking 6 people would all find scars distasteful and all talk about you behind your back. More likely it's that one woman who is a cow

PrettyBotanicals · 16/01/2017 20:16

I have a friend whose husband told her the mastectomy scars upset him.

We all had a fucking stern word and in front of him we kissed her scars because they were a reminder that she'd survived and we still had her in our lives.

Writing it down makes us sound weird but it was very beautiful and moving and if course we all cried and got the giggles.

The point is, your scars show your beautiful bravery and the miracle of your life and they are yours to show or not show.

I'm so sorry they upset you.Flowers

user1484578224 · 16/01/2017 20:17

how weird...if you had been wearing an awful low top or hideous skin tight trousers would the so called friend offer you something out of her gym bag?

Rainatnight · 16/01/2017 20:18

I'm appalled on your behalf. So incredibly insensitive. I don't think it's at all as straightforward ditching them, as some people have suggested, because they're your good friends and presumably you need your friends, especially after what you've been through.

But you do need to talk to them and challenge their views.

I'm so sorry this happened to you.