Males in female prisons

[WankingMonkey]

I have noticed a fair bit of support for 'identification' over sex on MN. I am just wondering what peoples opinions are on males wanting into female prisons because they are 'trans'?

If possible, have a think, write out a reply...and [i]then[/i] read this

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/soham-child-killer-ian-huntley-9626220

As I have seen many defenses along the lines of 'noone would pretend to be a woman' and such. But here we have a clear example of this in action. And it is impossible to let 'some' do it and not others, isn't it. You can't make laws without clear boundaries of course.

I actually can't believe it has taken someone like Huntley to wake up a fair few of my friends, this is all over my facebook today with people suddenly u-turning on their previous stance...

I'm sure I read this week that a study was done saying most people who think they are genuinely in the wrong body are on the Austin spectrum and projecting their obsessional thoughts on to believing they are in the wrong body....

Tara Hudson was released after serving 40 days of the sentence. Hopefully Tara will have learnt how to control their temper when drunk, to avoid getting a 10th conviction for violent behaviour.

Austsic not Austin sorry

Did she go back to being a man?

I have no idea, but I imagine Tara went back to being Tara - a biological male who has surgically created breasts and blonde hair extensions.

'The idea of a transsexual who hates their body and has had or is desperately awaiting surgery is long gone.'

Can I just say though, these people still exist. And have various different opinions about whether the current fashion for including cross dressers, male presenting blokes who claim to be non-binary etc etc under the trans umbrella is a good or a bad thing.

Slimming - any chance you might recall where you read that study? Sounds interesting.

Daily mail.....and another one said it was a form of mental illness..

And they just need some medication

It's on the daily mail on line about 3/4 of the way through

I don't think it's as strong as most trans people being autistic by any means, just that the rate of autism is higher than among the general population and it seems to be a factor in a number of cases (certainly a lot of parents with autistic children are talking about it).

I don't know much about it to be honest....always assumed people who claimed to be in the wrong body were genuine....totally don't get the whole lady penis thing...you are either male or female....if you feel you are in the wrong body the doctor will help....apart from that it's all gobbledgook to me

Overcrowding is rife across all categories of prisons, nationwide. Then there's the public vs private issue- who would pay for these new units? G4S? SERCO? NOMS?

When area's such as offender rehabilitation, drug rehabilitation and mental health services in prisons are woefully under-funded, I cannot see any of them making provisions for a scant few things the cost of thousands of others.

*at the expense of thousands of others that should read

If you support current trans thinking and campaigning - then if Huntley says she is a woman - then she is and should be in the prison she feels aligns with her gender.

It doesn't matter what the crime is. Wife beater, thief, serial rapist etc - you can't make decisions like this individually.

Do we really need five thousand threads about how trans people are all either evil rapists or mentally ill, and being trans should be outlawed.

We already know how many misogynistic hate-filled bigots are on MN, you don't need to keep proving it.

Extraordinary this utter all-consuming obsession with a type of person you will probably never meet in your life.

Feckitall the government ministers are rubbish but have faith in us professionals actually working in prisons to know what we're doing

No one is saying any of those things Diggory. You could actually engage and point out what you think is misogynistic, hate filled and bigoted, rather than try to shout people down.

I would not want to share a prison cell with someone with a penis. For me that's it. Women in prison are largely very vulnerable and this situation could be exploited.

Surely this subject has been done to death round here several times over?

It doesn't matter what the crime is. Wife beater, thief, serial rapist etc - you can't make decisions like this individually

Actually it really does matter. Your index offence will determine your category and the kind of establishment you need to be in to allow you to access appropriate rehabilitation- different prisons offer different offender behaviour programmes; have different drug treatment facilities, some have specialist mental health units. You can't just look at the person and choose where to put them, you have to assess their areas of risk to address these and (hopefully) stop them from reoffending.

Diggory do you think that if Huntley says he's a woman now he should be moved to a women's prison?

As has every other subject too. People can discuss what they want, surely.

Already happened though. Murderer/torturer Paris Green was moved to a women's prison and seems Paris had sex with several inmates so authorities moved them to another prison.

Same question to Megatherium ? If you don't think we should discuss it, is it ok for Huntley to be moved to the women's estate?

"Actually it really does matter. Your index offence will determine your category and the kind of establishment you need to be in to allow you to access appropriate rehabilitation- different prisons offer different offender behaviour programmes; have different drug treatment facilities, some have specialist mental health units. You can't just look at the person and choose where to put them, you have to assess their areas of risk to address these and (hopefully) stop them from reoffending."

Wasn't there a recent case where a TW avoided prison as women's didn't have the necessary therapy for child sex abuse offenders?