Males in female prisons

[WankingMonkey]

I have noticed a fair bit of support for 'identification' over sex on MN. I am just wondering what peoples opinions are on males wanting into female prisons because they are 'trans'?

If possible, have a think, write out a reply...and [i]then[/i] read this

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/soham-child-killer-ian-huntley-9626220

As I have seen many defenses along the lines of 'noone would pretend to be a woman' and such. But here we have a clear example of this in action. And it is impossible to let 'some' do it and not others, isn't it. You can't make laws without clear boundaries of course.

I actually can't believe it has taken someone like Huntley to wake up a fair few of my friends, this is all over my facebook today with people suddenly u-turning on their previous stance...

I don't get the "not this again" comments. If something doesn't interest me, or if ive nothing useful to say I just don't get involved in the conversation

Didn't you know Aww it's THE LAW to comment on every thread you click on

YANBU at all. Separate wings are needed. It is NOT acceptable for an individual with a fully functioning penis to be locked up with women.

Re Ian Huntley. Bullshit. He wants an easy ride and to get out of a tough prison. People like him should lose the right to make decisions about their own lives when they absolutely destroyed the lives of others and murdered innocent children.

Anyway, I believe prisons need to be separated, male only and female only. There will be dangerous sexual predators there, the last thing that should be happening is mixing. The decision needs to be based purely on biology, not how someone feels.

If you have not gone through gender reassignment surgery and hormone therapy, you should go to a prison for the sex you were born.

Don't do the crime and you won't be stuck in prison anyway.

feckitall I'm reasonably confident that the prison service is aware that Ian Huntley is a psychopath trying to pull a fast one rather than someone with gender dysphoria. They would be pretty thick if they weren't aware of that. I don't go round assuming that experienced professionals know less about their own field than I do. Thats pretty arrogant really.

Is a nameless ex-inmate who probably doesn't exist a reliable source? I'm inclined to believe it's goady bullshit to sell papers.

I'm reasonably confident that the prison service is aware that Ian Huntley is a psychopath trying to pull a fast one rather than someone with gender dysphoria. They would be pretty thick if they weren't aware of that. I don't go round assuming that experienced professionals know less about their own field than I do. Thats pretty arrogant really.

It can't be decided on an individual basis though, thats kinda my point.

We have in the past had male prisoners who were convicted of violence against females, being moved to female prisons. So no, I kinda don't agree that the professionals know best given they allowed that to happen...

Surely any cosmetic procedures won't be done on the NHS while someone is in prison...

Also what makes him think women will be any easier on him. Quite the contrary. Women will want to tear him limb from limb. Due to the maternal instinct. They're not going to pity him or treat him with kid gloves.

Surely the powers that be will say ,no.see yr gp when you have served your sentence..not bow down to inmates who have nothing better to do than play the system

But Maria Miller is in favour of self-identification alone, as the bar to being legally considered a woman.

And you cannot have self-identification and then say that you don't believe some men who say they are women, but you do believe others.

It is totally incoherent and actually, unjust. If you genuinely believe that a man is a woman just because he says so, you cannot start picking and choosing which men you believe. Just because Ian Huntley is a vile child rapist and murderer, why does that make him any less of a woman than Gina Owen or Tara Hudson or Dana Rivers or Nicola Florida? What makes them all women, entitled to go to women's prisons, but not Ian Huntley?

Yes, Tara (Hudson, I think) . Fully intact male moved to the women's estate on the back of a fucking petition. So no, I don't think the authorities know what they're doing.

Surely the powers that be will say ,no.see yr gp when you have served your sentence..not bow down to inmates who have nothing better to do than play the system

Possibly but there's plenty of people who would protest to defend his human rights to change his gender. Thousands of people signed a petition to allow a man in a dress bepenised person (Tara Hudson) who assaulted someone so badly they lost their teeth, to be in a prison with women

Oops sorry a couple of the others are vile child rapists (or at least consume the filmed rape of children for sexual jollies) or murderers but YKWIM.

Why is Ian Huntley a psychopath who cannot be suffering sexual dysphoria, but Tara Hudson is genuine? How do you tell the difference? Where's the line?

But the Tara lady ,was a lady before she got sent to prison...I remember seeing her Facebook page in the news..she was dressing as a woman before she was sent to a male prison..she looked femine as well...that makes a big difference

She had a "seven inch surprise though" (her dick)

But the Tara lady ,was a lady before she got sent to prison...I remember seeing her Facebook page in the news..she was dressing as a woman before she was sent to a male prison..she looked femine as well...that makes a big difference

So should butch women be in a male prison and feminine men in male ones?

The mitigating factor was that Tara still had a penis. And therefore should be in a male prison. Because Tara is male

Should have said feminine men in female prisons. Doh!

Not when Tara committed the crime tho'

But she was dressing as a woman way before she got sent to prison...she clearly was waiting for a sex change,genuinely wanting to be female....not like other people ...Ian ...who are doing it to get out of a rough prison

slimming Tara had hair extensions and huge fake tits. And (to use Tara's own words) "a 7 inch surprise". Tara is not a woman and should not be in a woman's prison. Tara is a violent male, with male strength and male genitals. This is exactly why a trans wing is needed.

Regardless swimming Tara was still male, and around 4/5 trans people do not undergo gender reassignment surgery.

I get your point that she wasn't trying to pull a fast one for an easier life though unlike the vile Huntley.

And also, Huntley could argue that when he was sent to prison, trans-identity was not accepted, so he could never come out. But now the climate has changed, he can.

I mean, that is what we are told about the transperson formerly known as Bruce Jenner, now Caitlyn Jenner, who was in their sixties before coming out as trans. Because society non-acceptance etc.

If it's a good explanation as to why Jenner was really a woman all those years while enjoying male privilege, why isn't it valid for Ian Huntley?

If you genuinely believe that men can be women and that they are women if they say so and self-identification is a valid and acceptable bar, then you can't say Jenner is a woman because we like Olympic gold medallists, but Huntley isn't because we don't like child-rapists and child-murderers.

4 out of 5 I mean, not 4 to 5 people