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To be told if a boy is sleeping with the girls at girl guides camp

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Babieseverywhere · 12/01/2017 09:49

The guides have changed their guidance on boys attending meeting, trips and over night stays.

Previously the rule was no boys allowed.

Now all boys allowed but don't tell the girls or parents, unless the boy and his parents give permission !

There are already a massive amount of forms for attending rainbows, brownies, guides or Senior section which need signing, from permissions for photos to health and safety for activities but if a boy want to watch my 10yo undress that is ok and no one will be asking permission from my daughter or us !

How can this be legal ? Do girls have no rights in the UK in 2017 ?

Guides article online

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FishInAWetSuitAndFlippers · 14/01/2017 20:03

I'm always on these threads and have never witnessed anything like that at all Boiled

I also post a lot about my experiences as the mother of a transgender child and have had a lot of support on all the boards, including, in fact especially, the feminist boards.

Please stop shouting transphobia any time someone doesn't fully agree with something, it belittles what actual transphobia actually is.

Ouriana · 14/01/2017 20:04

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 14/01/2017 20:04

'Last time we had one of these threads posters were insisting that masculine looking women being forced to show their genitals or attacked for being wrongly suspected of being trans was just fine '

Utter bullshit.

midcenturymodern · 14/01/2017 20:05

I've seen a thread that has gone along the lines of

Men shouldn't use women's toilets
Transwomen are women, bigot
What is a woman?
Anybody who says they are a woman, bigot
I don't want people with penises in the ladies
What? You are seriously suggesting that we inspect genitals before anyone goes in. There should be someone guarding the door actually doing genital tests?
No Confused
You can't tell what gender someone is by looking at them

So everyone will need ID to access public toilets now?
Nobody is saying that Confused
Every transphobic poster on this thread has said they want genital inspections
Can you quote where that has been said?
Genital inspections and ID cards!!!!!
But we've gone decades with sex separated facilities without needing that
TRANSWOMEN ARE WOMEN!!!!

Beachcomber · 14/01/2017 20:05

Fishinawetsuitandflippers what you say is so very concerning because the self fulfilling prophecy of individuals looks set to become self fulfilling at population level / statistically significant level.

And the trans ideologists are going to pick that up and sprint with it.

If the whole thing is calculated it is very clever and if not calculated consciously it certainly shows cunning.

It's a human rights travesty and politico-medical scandal dressed up as liberal niceness. Terrifying stuff.

Sorry to hear of your personal involvement with this madness. You come across as incredibly sensible and brave x

venusinscorpio · 14/01/2017 20:05

Boiled, think you'll find it's transactivists who are deeply misogynistic rather than gender critical posters on MN. But I for one would love to explore this further with you, and hear your reasoning behind this carefully thought out post. Are you willing to clarify why you've come to this view?

ArcheryAnnie · 14/01/2017 20:06

I'm disgusted that you are seriously suggesting any genetic boy will be overcome with feelings and become a sex pest if they see a girl undressing. You are not only denigrating trans people, but also boys like mine and millions of others who are not trans but would respect a girl's right to privacy. The fact you think they will immediately become leery and touchy is, quite frankly, disgusting.

Babycham some boys are sex pests, and some boys don't respect any girls' rights to privacy. This is a fact. Have a look at this article about the "epidemic of sexual assault in schools" if you don't believe me.

It's not all boys. It's probably not your boy. It's probably not my boy. But it is absolutely, definitely some boys, and we have to give girls space away from this kind of harrassment. If you can't or won't acknowledge this then you are letting down the girls who are (and who will be) under attack from their male peers.

venusinscorpio · 14/01/2017 20:07

Ooh look I think the posters of MN rather have your number Boiled. So do run along.

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 14/01/2017 20:09

I remember that thread mid

Why do people lie ?

I dont get it.

Threads full of she said...he said...feminists say, and its all lies

ArcheryAnnie · 14/01/2017 20:11

The fact that you are bringing your boys up to think they have a right to appropriate other peoples space/groups/culture rather suggests that if they are lovely then you don't deserve the credit for it.

This is so true, midcenturymodern. One of the reasons I hope, as I said above, that "it's probably not my boy" is that I have taught him to respect girls' space, and taught him that not everything is about him. I dread to think of all the boys currently growing up who don't just have an endless entitlement to girls' and women's spaces and energies, but have been taught by the adults in their lives that this is the "progressive" position. Ugh.

ExitPursuedBySpartacus · 14/01/2017 20:12

I'm having sprouts tomorrow.

Steamed not boiled.

Redrocketship · 14/01/2017 20:15

Last time we had one of these threads posters were insisting that masculine looking women being forced to show their genitals or attacked for being wrongly suspected of being trans was just fine and that all people should have to carry ID cards stating their birth gender and have to show them to use a public restroom.

None of this happened did it? If it did then please link to these posts. Otherwise, stop making shit up.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 14/01/2017 20:17

I prefer roasted, in some good EVO and with butter, salt and pepper.

And don't call me 'cis'. I am woman.

venusinscorpio · 14/01/2017 20:19

Ooh some good sprout recipes here. They're lovely in bubble and squeak.

DameDeDoubtance · 14/01/2017 20:19

Dd is 11 and she has already had to put up with being touched inappropriately, being shown porn, nasty comments as it got out that she had started her periods. Good job she has Guides which is an all female space where she can kick back for an hour each week...

midcenturymodern · 14/01/2017 20:20

Love roasted sprouts, and roasted cauliflower. You can tell I'm evil.

PencilsInSpace · 14/01/2017 20:25

@BoiledSprouts - Transwomen are women, period.

What definition of 'woman' are you using here, please?

Last time we had one of these threads posters were insisting that masculine looking women being forced to show their genitals or attacked for being wrongly suspected of being trans was just fine and that all people should have to carry ID cards stating their birth gender and have to show them to use a public restroom.

Link please. I've been on MN for quite a few years and have never seen anything like this. As a 'masculine looking woman' I'm sure I'd have had something to say if I'd seen this.

There are plenty of anti-trans posters who are deeply misogynistic and so obsessed with hating trans people they're willing to abuse ciswomen and deny ciswomen their rights just to attack transwomen.

This doesn't make much sense. Can you break it down and explain what you mean step-by step?

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 14/01/2017 20:28

mid

Is roasted cauliflower nice then? Only had it boiled or raw

midcenturymodern · 14/01/2017 20:31

It's brill. You have to sort of rub the oil is because it doesn't stick right on the knobbles and put salt and pepper and garlic cloves in. I mostly burn the garlic but when I don't they are amazing.

I love it raw too but I'm not struck by boiled

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 14/01/2017 20:34

mid

So how long should i roast it for

venusinscorpio · 14/01/2017 20:35

I've had lovely spicy roasted cauliflower.

midcenturymodern · 14/01/2017 20:37

About 20 min

I had a spicy recipe in a weaning book that was lovely. The dcs hated it Hmm. I think it was cuminy. I might try to find it

MuteButtonisOn · 14/01/2017 20:38

Boiled fancy answering my question at the top of this page?

Datun · 14/01/2017 21:16

ArcheryAnnie

I like your posts.

At the most extreme, women and perhaps, feminists, will just say that boys cannot be girls, and men cannot be women and vice versa.

A lot of feminists have read reams and reams of stuff put out by transactivists. And it has a very sexually motivated, misogynistic underbelly which is difficult to ignore.

If you still think it is bigoted to conclude that a person cannot literally change their sex, and then have all the benefits, or otherwise, accrued to that sex. All I would say is, bloody well go online and LOOK. This isn't a big secret, it's not some esoteric position that no one else can see. None of the gender critical women on here are coming at this from a position of ignorance, blindness or bigotry.

If you are too lazy or blind to find out for yourself, then I can't help you. All I can tell you is go and take a bloody look.

JigglyTuff · 14/01/2017 21:38

This is bloody gorgeous and my favourite way to cook cauliflower: www.ottolenghi.co.uk/roasted-cauliflower-hazelnut-salad-shop#sidr

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