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To be told if a boy is sleeping with the girls at girl guides camp

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Babieseverywhere · 12/01/2017 09:49

The guides have changed their guidance on boys attending meeting, trips and over night stays.

Previously the rule was no boys allowed.

Now all boys allowed but don't tell the girls or parents, unless the boy and his parents give permission !

There are already a massive amount of forms for attending rainbows, brownies, guides or Senior section which need signing, from permissions for photos to health and safety for activities but if a boy want to watch my 10yo undress that is ok and no one will be asking permission from my daughter or us !

How can this be legal ? Do girls have no rights in the UK in 2017 ?

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venusinscorpio · 14/01/2017 18:30

If the male person is seen as a woman, female prison officers' rights are worth fuck all.

venusinscorpio · 14/01/2017 18:32

And yes I believe a female officer's rights not to have to deal with penises should trump rapist's genderfeelz.

BabychamSocialist · 14/01/2017 18:45

I'll never understand the absolute transphobia on MN at times, I really won't.

Beachcomber · 14/01/2017 18:47

I've just been reading through this thread and there is a very striking and disquieting thing that can be observed.

And that is that a not insignificant number of posters are transing a child they have never met and know almost nothing about. All this talk affirming that any male child with gender dysphoria who wants to join the guides "is a transgirl" or even "is a girl" is very very worrying. Not one single poster could have the slightest clue whether any such child is actually going to go on to be a transgender adult and to talk about them as having changed sex is incredibly ignorant (although I don't doubt that it is well meaning).

This thread is a example of people transing kids. It is an example of what social transition does to a gender dysphoric child which is to put them in a deeply restrictive box labelled "trans". And that box is well documented as being a self fulfilling prophecy and an almost certain route to very significant medical interventions including mutilating surgery, sterilization and and cancer risks.

And all the above because people mean well and want to be inclusive, tolerant and accepting and they have been sold a dogmatic agenda that tells them that in order to be those things they must affirm the transing of children they know nothing about and that they have never met.

It has made for very very disturbing reading.

WankingMonkey · 14/01/2017 18:48

I'll never understand the absolute transphobia on MN at times, I really won't.

What exactly is transphobic? is this because you cannot answer the sex segregation question? Do we need sex segregation, or not. if so, why. If not, great.

DameDeDoubtance · 14/01/2017 18:49

Babysham - Standing up for women and girls is pro women and girls, not transphobic.

Ouriana · 14/01/2017 18:55

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Prawnofthepatriarchy · 14/01/2017 18:57

Rapists are always men. Nothing they can do subsequently will alter that. The very fact that this is in any way debatable shows just how batshit crazy the whole thing has become.

I'm feeling a bit Spartacus-sy. Feel like spelling it out that transwomen are always men, that women and girls have a right to penis-free spaces and that women have no obligation to accept the trans version of reality. Men don't get hassled for sex by transwomen, and that's because men would ignore or laugh at them. Lesbians, being female socialized, are far too polite. Plus lesbians are smaller and weaker than transwomen, which puts laughing at their otherwise preposterous demands unwise

Beachcomber · 14/01/2017 19:02

The majority of gender dysphoric children grow out of it. They are not transgender, they never were.

And yet (well meaning) people here are not only willing but very keen to label any and all dysphoric children as transgender.

And in addition they are keen to throw all manner of girl's rights away as a consequence of this transing of gender dysphoric children they actually know nothing about.

Imagine this fictitious male child that you are transing grows up not to be gender dysphoric (as most of them do) and becomes happy with their maleness - will you then say with a straight face that they aren't a transgirl or a girl anymore (and kick them out of the female only spaces you have been insisting they have a right to occupy?)

So taking things to their logical conclusion, it is not only possible for children to change sex, but also for them to change back (gotta respect those gender identities!). Which rather makes a nonsense of the "born in the wrong body" narrative. And indeed trans ideology.

venusinscorpio · 14/01/2017 19:11

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PencilsInSpace · 14/01/2017 19:24

My DS's lovely too but he doesn't belong in female spaces and he understands why.

midcenturymodern · 14/01/2017 19:33

I'll never understand the absolute transphobia on MN at times, I really won't

I can't understand your misogyny, I really can't. I too have lovely boys. One of the things that makes them lovely (the older one anyway, the younger one is still a bit young to 'get it') is that they don't think they have the right to barge into every damn thing they want too. They would never walk into their sisters bedroom without knocking or talk over them. The fact that you are bringing your boys up to think they have a right to appropriate other peoples space/groups/culture rather suggests that if they are lovely then you don't deserve the credit for it.

TammySwansonxx · 14/01/2017 19:34

I think there was a recent case where a male prisoner identified as woman and insisted on being searched by female officers and they had to do it

Revolting

FishInAWetSuitAndFlippers · 14/01/2017 19:34

The majority of gender dysphoric children grow out of it.

I do wonder how long we will be able to say this for.

The children who get put onto blockers will more likely go down the hormone route which will lead to surgery, which will then mean the transactivists can sit there preening about being right.

This is where it's heading sadly.

The statistics in the next 5-10 years are going to be vastly different to now.

Also I will reiterate my point from earlier that there has been no transphobia on this thread at all. Only discussion.

PencilsInSpace · 14/01/2017 19:36

@BabychamSocialist - if someone wants to identify as a girl, they should be free to do so.

What definition of 'girl' are you using here? What do you mean when you say 'identify as a girl'?

MuteButtonisOn · 14/01/2017 19:39

It's not transphobic to discuss the rights of women any more than it's Islamophobic to discuss the rights of women in Islamic countries imho.

Beachcomber · 14/01/2017 19:46

In total agreement with what you say here Fish. It is frightening.

I do wonder how long we will be able to say this for.

The children who get put onto blockers will more likely go down the hormone route which will lead to surgery, which will then mean the transactivists can sit there preening about being right.

This is where it's heading sadly.

The statistics in the next 5-10 years are going to be vastly different to now.

Beachcomber · 14/01/2017 19:47

Sorry meant to bold where I quoted you.

BoiledSprouts · 14/01/2017 19:53

Transwomen are women, period.

Last time we had one of these threads posters were insisting that masculine looking women being forced to show their genitals or attacked for being wrongly suspected of being trans was just fine and that all people should have to carry ID cards stating their birth gender and have to show them to use a public restroom. There are plenty of anti-trans posters who are deeply misogynistic and so obsessed with hating trans people they're willing to abuse ciswomen and deny ciswomen their rights just to attack transwomen.

RacoonBandit · 14/01/2017 19:55

Transwomen are women, period.

HowSprout ?

What is a women?

hazeyjane · 14/01/2017 19:56

What's that now, boiledsprouts?

Slightly open mouthed as I haven't seen any such thing on any threads here.

And, transwomen are transwomen. Period.

venusinscorpio · 14/01/2017 19:56

What's a ciswoman, exactly, Sprouts? Please educate me, I'm woefully ignorant.

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 14/01/2017 19:57

Last time we had one of these threads posters were insisting that masculine looking women being forced to show their genitals or attacked for being wrongly suspected of being trans was just fine

Where was that sprout

WankingMonkey · 14/01/2017 19:58

Last time we had one of these threads posters were insisting that masculine looking women being forced to show their genitals or attacked for being wrongly suspected of being trans was just fine and that all people should have to carry ID cards stating their birth gender and have to show them to use a public restroom.

I REALLY doubt it somehow. Maybe thats how you read it, but I doubt thats what was said.

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 14/01/2017 20:00

And this ?

There are plenty of anti-trans posters who are deeply misogynistic and so obsessed with hating trans people they're willing to abuse ciswomen and deny ciswomen their rights just to attack transwomen.