To be told if a boy is sleeping with the girls at girl guides camp

[Babieseverywhere]

The guides have changed their guidance on boys attending meeting, trips and over night stays.

Previously the rule was no boys allowed.

Now all boys allowed but don't tell the girls or parents, unless the boy and his parents give permission !

There are already a massive amount of forms for attending rainbows, brownies, guides or Senior section which need signing, from permissions for photos to health and safety for activities but if a boy want to watch my 10yo undress that is ok and no one will be asking permission from my daughter or us !

How can this be legal ? Do girls have no rights in the UK in 2017 ?

Guides article online

Lila Perry - who was offered a gender neutral alternative to the girls locker room, but refused it and demanded access to the girls' facilities saying:

“I don’t believe for a second that they’re uncomfortable, this is pure and simple bigotry”

I wish people would wake up to the fact that this is way beyond compassion and understanding for a few peaceful individuals. Women's rights and choices are disappearing. You're right to make a choice has actually gone.

That's the narcissistic rage talking. So much of their identity is channeled into this cause and their anger at biological women. It's very clear to anyone with a brain.

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Sorry that last response of mine was to Dame about the transwoman wanting to kick women in the crotch.

Didn't the girls move where they were getting changed and he followed them?

Why would females need to talk about anything though? Thats pure cis-normative ignorance tbh. I am triggered. Only trans individuals are discriminated against. Nasty transphobes...

Wanking! Your triggering has triggered me!!!!! What if I want to meet up with other front hole owners and talk about how we can please our males, huh, HUH!!!!!!

dame how telling that first comment is! Affirm me or I will be violent!

^-Serious question. Don't trans male to female usually make sure they tuck or wear something so the penis doesn't show?
-No some transwomen like themselves with penises just fine. Not all transgenders care to operate on themselves or are ashamed of their sex.
-wait isnt being trans the fact you dont want to be your current sex anymore? or am i lost
-gender =/= sex. Some transgender people live as the opposite gender they were born as, but retain their sex.
-Isn't that just cross dressing^

Gender is between the ears. Sex is between the legs. As enlightened people we know that gender overrides sex, which is just body parts. Women may have penises and men may have vaginas. This is defined by how you feel rather than how you look.

Gender is not between the ears. that would only be true if there were male and female brains, which there aren't. The idea of a sexed braina is one that has been used to dismiss, belittle and control women for thousands of years.

If there were male brains and female brains then transwomen would have male brains as they are biological males..

Scouts have the same rules. Everyone got on fine.

I'm disgusted that you are seriously suggesting any genetic boy will be overcome with feelings and become a sex pest if they see a girl undressing. You are not only denigrating trans people, but also boys like mine and millions of others who are not trans but would respect a girl's right to privacy. The fact you think they will immediately become leery and touchy is, quite frankly, disgusting.

Omg, Dame.
The remarkable thing isn't just that the transwoman comes on and abuses the writer and threatens to attack women in restrooms, it's that the pious pro-trans commenter underneath then comes out with that line about how no transwoman has ever attacked a woman.
I want some of the drugs she's on.

countess and if they did ever attack anyone then either they wouldn't actually be trans, or it would be self defence because knowing men aren't women is LITERAL VIOLENCE

A link from that link was a screen shot of Lila Perry on Imgur describing herself as a transsexual bisexual ("anyone has a chance with me") and calling for stories about lesbians, going into detail over the kind she would like to see.

2015 - the same time period when she was insisting she was a girl and just wanted to use the girls' locker room at school in peace.

Still, as long as you can call opposition from those girls bigotry you're right. Right?

The Advocate wrote an article that kicked off about white students protesting about integration in 1944, compared them to the teenage girls protesting against Lila Perry being allowed in the girls facilities and moved swiftly on to heaping shame on those young women for protecting their privacy, safety and dignity. How dare they!

Classmates of Lila Perry, 150 teenage girls, walked out in protest against demands that they share single sex facilities with the bouncy penised person, the one whose sexual interest in girls has been self documented on social media.

According to the Advocate, a prominent LGBT magazine, teenage girls should learn to STFU.

None of this is anything but damaging to women and girls. I am sure those girls, growing up in a small town with the lovely Lila had an opinion about Lila before Lila was Lila. Bet they could tell you exactly why they reacted so strongly.

Going back to the OP. In case anyone is in any doubt, the laws going through Parliament now, right now, that allow an innocent a 10-year-old boy to go to guides because he likes girls activities, are the exact same laws that allowed, not will allow, allowed Lila Perry access to girls three years younger than her.

Babycham I'm sure your DS is lovely. That's not the point.

Do you support complete non-segregation, i.e. that everything, including showers and dorms/tents is unisex? Can you think of no reason why girls might like privacy? Can you not think of any reasons teenagers might not shower or change together?

And perhaps the most important: you know your DS is lovely. Do you accept that not all boys are lovely? Do you think girls can tell which boys are safe just by looking at them? Because if you can tell whether someone is a sexual predator just by looking you'd be able to save the criminal justice system a fortune.

Babycham, my boy is lovely too - however he still gives his sisters the privacy they want when they get changed or have a bath, nothing to do with him, everything to do with their desire, at a time their bodies are changing, to have some privacy.

Yes, I believe in privacy but if someone wants to identify as a girl, they should be free to do so. To suggest that they can't help but invade the privacy of those around them is disgusting. My boys manage to get changed around other lads without gawping at a hundred cocks around them - why would this be any different? It's as bad as saying gay people can't get changed around straight men because it's too "tempting" for them.

BabychamSocialist

I take it you are of the opinion that sex segregation isn't necessary at all in that case then? Everything should be mixed? If not, why not?

Then can the boy who identifies as a girl not keep changing with the boys, as no one will be invading their privacy?

If no one's privacy is being threatened ever by anyone, then why on earth would the transgirl need to shower with the girls, Babycham? The boys would be just as suitable.

When you say you believe in privacy, for whom and when? Do the girls not have a right to have privacy from boys, and vice versa. Most women don't want to share facilities with men. Girls and teenagers navigating their first periods and puberty in general, have an even greater need for separate spaces.

It's nothing of the sort Babycham. It is not the same thing as gay men or lesbians. Please don't appropriate other people's struggles to make your point. The point is that this is a violation of the rights to privacy and dignity of girls.

What about if a man is convicted for rape, and during his incarceration he transitions and gets certification. Do you think female officers should be obligated to search her. Currently policy I believe is that female officers search the top half and male officers the bottom half. However if we see this person as a woman even if they have a penis, would you support her right not to be searched by a male above the female officers right not to conduct such a search? Do both rights stand equally?