To not want to provide my DC nationality and country of birth to school?!

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What will the government do with the Country of Birth and Nationality?! AIBU to not provide this info?!

Don't we have to provide copies of birth certificates when we register children for school anyway, so it's not like we haven't always provided the information, it has just never been formally recorded before.

My children are British, but the school still double checked with me where they were born as they knew we'd come from abroad.

op you sound like a proper dick with the *i pay more tax in your life time' comment.

Just goes to show that money can't buy the ability to communicate pleasantly with others I suppose.

As someone who enters this data, can I ask that if you don't want to give it, just put refused, rather than leaving the form blank.
If you put refused, that's what will go into the school management system, and you shouldn't get asked again. If you leave it blank, or make up something silly, it will have to go in as 'Not yet obtained' and we will probably be required to ask you again before the next school census.
(There is a 'Not known' option in SIMS, but the guidance specifically says that should only be used when the nationality is genuinely not known by the parent/carer).
Putting 'refused' also ensures that your views on the acceptability of asking for the information are recorded in the school census as well as in the school's management system.

Thanks for that article noblegiraffe. Useful information and why it's relevant to question these types of practices.

Just goes to show that money can't buy the ability to communicate pleasantly with others

This ^

You're absolutely right OP

More info here: www.schoolsabc.net/

That's bull jiggly it's been going two years the request for infomation. Pre brexit!

Some European countries send police into schools to collect refugee children for deportation so I can understand why this might be sensitive - especially with many EU residents with decades of residence suddenly being told they don't have residence rights.

I see no reason why they need to know.

but I also see no reason why they cannot know.

do you refuse to disclose the gender of your child as well? because this does not make a difference to their education either.

If the children go on a school trip to france, the teacher ought to know if your child's nationality is british, European or other. Just a thought?

Is this your first child OP? By which I mean your first experiences of the forms schools send home?

It you're struggling to see the relevance of this I suspect you may have many more struggles to come in the future.

I was asked three times for DD's grandparents' contact details in case of emergency. 3 out of 4 are dead (2 before DD was born, the other when she was a baby) and the 4th (MIL) is in her 80's, lives 25 miles away and doesn't drive. We live rurally - she would never be able to reach DD at school before either myself, DH or either one of her adult brothers. But no, there's a form asking for "grandparents contact details" so grandparents' contact details they must have!

School can check data of how children who may have EAL or be born elsewhere do comparably to see if they need to change focus etc. If you don't want to provide then don't but there's going to be a lot more of this sort of thing once we leave the EU.

Hilarious that you might seriously consider yourself to have paid more tax than any other poster. Utterly ridiculous. The super-rich do educate in the independent sector, and that sector do not complete schools census, which is a funding requirement for all state maintained schools.
Nathan barley rocks All children under 16 are eligible for free education in England if resident, regardless of their legal status. As they should be. 16-18 is not free if they haven't been here for three years, unless from EEA.

more tax than you will pay in your lifetime - ooh, burn! This made me giggle.

Well if the OP is such a fucking hotshot, whether she is here lawfully or not, the government aren't going to want to lose her & her massive tax contributions.

So do you all fill in the ethnic background stuff that you regularly get form schools, the health services etc?

I put "chose not to disclose information" on the form. The school are legally obliged to ask the question, but I am not legally obliged to answer. (And I have far too many friends and colleagues from other countries who feel deeply upset and alienated by the government's response to Brexit to want to collude in this sort of information collection).

For those saying "but it's only for practical purposes" - what practical purposes are these? It won't help get the necessary resources for the children of the second generation Asian family who still speak Punjabi at home, nor is it relevant to a family from Canada or Australia.

I'm not in the UK and school forms for DS always ask about nationality and country of birth. We don't have a problem with immigrants.
I don't think they do anything with it. It's just part of the whole set of ID details (ID number, name, place of birth, date of birth, health system number, etc)

In fact, the computers don't seem to like the full name of the UK, as that's where he was born. Often, it just shows up as Ireland on the printed forms.

As someone who enters this data, can I ask that if you don't want to give it, just put refused, rather than leaving the form blank.

Likewise for NHS services - if you don't want to disclose your Ethnicity then say so politely. They have a specific code to enter which shows you've opted out of disclosing this and they're not supposed to ask you again. If you leave this blank on forms or the automated computers some hospitals and GPs use now then you will be asked again and again.

I collate this info for my local NHS- we don't mind if you don't want to tell us, just be polite when declining! We have to ask - it's part of our employment contract - and we don't deserve abuse for it.

Likewise the school does not need this level of overreaction. Politely decline and move on.

Education tourism exists and has a detrimental effect, just like health tourism.

It could affect you child, OP.

BUT this is information for the Home Office. Who will already hold that information and it's a back handed way of them receiving it. Quit with the personal atracks. Keep it civil. And finally very few in the higher rate tax band send their kids privately. It's not overly affordable. You need at least £15k net to send one child and double that for 2. This is not a private / state debate. But one of genuine fear of how governments go about obtaining information and for what purpose.

Oh god not this with the armbands and nazi shit again.

How many times are we going to have this thread?

Literally every organisation you sign up for asks for this information. It is only so they can analyse their demographics.

Quit with the personal atracks. Keep it civil.

Maybe you should take your own advice

Obtaining ethnicity data for health purposes is entirely different and sends the debate on a tangent. There are certain health matters that are of more concern amongst certain ethnicities hence needing to know data to see if you are of higher risk e.g. Diabetes amongst south Asians. The HO knowing your child's nationality and place of birth is not relevant to their education or provision of their education .

Okay serious question; do you answer when asked in relation to free NHS services?

Would you actually pass up a valuable free service to maintain this strange paranoid "no name, no pack drill" stance? If the free education became dependent on just answering the questions would you climb down?