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To not want to provide my DC nationality and country of birth to school?!

271 replies

SoDownSoGone · 11/01/2017 14:05

What will the government do with the Country of Birth and Nationality?! AIBU to not provide this info?!

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MontePulciana · 11/01/2017 14:35

You better ask the government then. I for sure will be providing my son's school with relevant info. We come from a mixed background and have two languages at home.

WhirlwindHugs · 11/01/2017 14:35

In British law, every child has a right to education. It is a fundamental human right.

There is no 'eligible' for British education.

Human rights groups are rightly concerned that the collection of this data is for extremely dubious reasons.

noblegiraffe · 11/01/2017 14:35

"'But the documents also state that one of “strategic aim” of the data-sharing is to create a “hostile environment” for those who “seek to benefit from the abuse of immigration control”."

From my schoolsweek link.

The entire thing is a fucking outrage. Funnily enough the hero of the piece is Nicky Morgan who put her foot down and refused Home Office demands.

wifework · 11/01/2017 14:36

horrendous grammar though - sorry

Sentmeamonkey · 11/01/2017 14:36

Nearly spat my coffee out, the armband comment is a bit over the top, considering what happend in that situation. It's a school questionare ffs.

Potnoodlewilld0 · 11/01/2017 14:37

We'll surely it will go to the education department for info on :- who's using the education system, how many non British children use the school, how many interpreters are needed to be taken on, demograph for areas, what subjects are to be used, changes that may need implimented in education ect... There could be a million things it's used for.

Why do you feel you need to hide?

SoDownSoGone · 11/01/2017 14:37

Apologies for grammar!

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Zippidydoodah · 11/01/2017 14:37

Omg!! I am so naive. I had no idea this was going on!

As a white British/English speaking citizen I just wrote that and didn't give it a second thought.

Feeling a little ashamed now. A hostile environment? Sad

WhirlwindHugs · 11/01/2017 14:37

What languages your family speaks is relevant - your childs nationality isn't.

Thanks for the link noble I couldn't find it!

SoDownSoGone · 11/01/2017 14:37

It's not about hiding. I have nothing to hide. I just do not understand why where a child is born and/or their nationality is relevant to the department of education.

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arethereanyleftatall · 11/01/2017 14:38

What purpose does it serve to be deliberately obtuse? What do you get out of it? Apart from something else to complain about.
The things people get bothered about on man never cease to amaze me.
Fill the form in, get on with living your life.

wifework · 11/01/2017 14:39

SoDownSoGone I was apologising for MY terrible grammar! Anyway I'll stop derailing. I agree with you.

Potnoodlewilld0 · 11/01/2017 14:39

No way would families that have settled here be expected to leave. It's been stated that those that are here can stay. All children have a right to education.

I think your going a bit overboard.

Potnoodlewilld0 · 11/01/2017 14:40

You are hiding though. For no reason.

There are lots of reasons why they may want that info.

noblegiraffe · 11/01/2017 14:40

Incidentally, if you did provide your nationality data to the school for the Autumn census, since the news coming out about the collection originally being intended for nefarious purposes you can now request to have that data removed from the national pupil database

www.parliament.uk/business/publications/written-questions-answers-statements/written-question/Lords/2016-11-16/HL3296/

Pinotwoman82 · 11/01/2017 14:40

Is it because they want to ensure that the school is multi cultural and ensure that it is diverse enough? I have absolutely no idea about this but for eg could the government pull up a school in that the majority is all the same? And not diverse enough?

VintagePerfumista · 11/01/2017 14:41

Absurd.

wifework · 11/01/2017 14:42

'No way would families that have settled here be expected to leave'.

Nice to see the NHS is benefiting from that 350m quid a week, an' all.

noblegiraffe · 11/01/2017 14:42

Potnoodle have you read the schoolsweek story I linked to upthread? We know the original purpose of the data collection. The Home Office wanted it, not the DfE.

Potnoodlewilld0 · 11/01/2017 14:44

wife I don't get your point Confused

OddBoots · 11/01/2017 14:45

My dd's school sends a form home every year with the details they have for the child and if they are still correct you just sign and return, this year when they ere required to ask this they added the questions to that form, I just put a line rather than answering.

The school have to ask but we don't have to answer.

I understand that there are many points of view relating to immigration but children and their education cannot be pawns in that.

NathanBarleyrocks · 11/01/2017 14:45

How much tax have you paid in the UK OP?

SoDownSoGone · 11/01/2017 14:45

I won't complain. I have nothing to hide. If it's for the home office they can check anyway. I just think it's pointless and reading the article entirely for spurious reasons. No one has provided a valid reason. The Home Office will certainly not be concerned about ethnic diversity and the teaching of such matters.

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wifework · 11/01/2017 14:45

Let's hope all the people snorting at the invocation of Godwin (that's referencing the holocaust for all those of us who don't speak 6th form philosophy) don't find themselves wishing they had thought about it earlier... these things happen. We have to stay vigilant. I think this is one of those times when the intention may or may not have been nefarious but it's safest to assume it was.

FinallyHere · 11/01/2017 14:46

For the people kindly suggesting that it might provide relevant information for the school, such as 'speaks several languages' or whatever, this is not by a long shot synonymous with 'country of birth'.

For those suggesting that it is a long way from armbands, please consider whether the decree about wearing armbands was the first step in that terrible journey. I have spoken to people who lived through the '30s and '40s in Germany. They remembered the hard times, then how after school clubs for children, which included a very welcome snack and drink, sprung up, which the children clamoured to join. Stories in the papers blaming 'others' for the hard times...lots of little things.

I am seriously concerned that we might be sleepwalking into a similar scenario, which can only end badly.