To not want to provide my DC nationality and country of birth to school?!

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What will the government do with the Country of Birth and Nationality?! AIBU to not provide this info?!

Rhoda that really worries me about the NHS.
Health tourism exists and costs a reasonable amount.
How is it ever to be stopped if we ask someone their nationality and then happily accept a "don't wanna say" answer?
We may as well stick up a large sign saying, free healthcare for the world's population. Trump can get rid of Obamacare and just give people tickets to the UK for us to treat them.

Not all EAL children need help/translation. DD is classified as EAL but speaks English fluently as she is born here and English is outside home language since birth

That's why schools now have to regularly assess all EAL children for proficiency in English, which is also reported in the census - the levels are 'New to English' 'Early Acquisition' 'Developing Competence' 'Competent' and 'Fluent'

For example, regarding diabetes, the overal

Never mind healthcare per se. The NHS and state education are huge administrative organisations. The state is entitled to administrate them. It isn't automatically a right wing neo-fascist conspiracy when they do.

Redtooth- I don't think we know what the school put on the collection form they could well have stated why they're collecting it.

YABU. And are clearly a goady fucker

Manumission I actually really don't understand why you can't see that questioning WHY certain information is requested about individuals (not as generalised and anonymous statistical info) is part of this not LETting it happen.

It doesn't just start with people being deported or whatever. It starts slow and builds. We know this from looking at historical events. Surely asking questions and saying 'no' sometimes is part of the prevention.

PhilODox,

The OP stated that she did not know why the school wanted the information.

If it was on the form, why would she say that? If its not clear and explicit enough there is a problem and the school is non compliant.

Lweji- ethnicity of patients has a very big impact if you're interpreting ECGs for example- different ethnicities show differing traces!
It's very important to know if the patient is of a Black-Caribbean origin, for example. HCPs need to know if what they're seeing is usual/unusual.

Redtooth- I think perhaps OP is being disingenuous as to school's purpose here. It may well have said on the form that it was for census requirements.

It's an entirely harmless question with no reason for the endless nazi allusions wife.

No evidence of remotely worrying plans or registers have been turned up. Because there are none.

The only group who could possibly have a reason to object on an alarmist BLANKET basis like this are the far-left "no borders" fringe.

Frankly I'm sick of the two lunatic fringes dominating every debate.

We're urgently in need of more measured debate and rediscovering the middle ground as a country.

It's very important to know if the patient is of a Black-Caribbean origin, for example. HCPs need to know if what they're seeing is usual/unusual.

That's called ecological fallacy. You shouldn't do that.

Actually, I can see why country of origin could be relevant to a school, depending on what that might be, could prove very useful in terms of planning curriculum topics and how those are approached.

I can also see why the HO might want it. I'm not sure whether they should be trusted with it, but I can see why they might want it.

As to the "why" - getting a good estimate of how many EU citizens are in the country and how many of them are children (for example) is something we could reasonably EXPECT the government and the civil service to me scrambling to do at the moment. It's something that might feasibly influence Brexit negotiations in a way EU citizens resident here would welcome.

What you need to have is a normal ECG for that patient to compare with the most recent result. Not what happens in the population.

I had something similar happening with DS. He got a blip that is common in his age group. The doctor, rightly, sent him for more tests. They didn't just assume it was ok just because it was common in his age.

Why are you so desperate to be offended just fill it out and carry on with your day. No harm done.

YANBU. I agree, it seems to be the first step on a slippery slope.

I'd write 'not your fucking business'. But I'm a bolshy sort.

I don't know about that lweji. Three times DD's low vitamin D result have been interpreted as less worrying than they were because the HCP has assumed a darker skin than she had on the basis of her name. Probably an argument for less stereotyping rather than ethnicities on medical records necessarily but still.

Ours was a form via ParentMail so filed in online and ours had a box for refused information for nationality.

If your child has a UK passport, or you get CB, then presumably that information is already held somewhere.

The Premier Inn asks for my nationality every time I check in.....I don't get offended, I either put Cornish, Jedi, or Martian depending on my mood...never had any queries about it.

Manumission I'm going to copy and paste noblegiraffe's post from earlier.

*Further info for those who think this is innocuous:

"An investigation by the BBC revealed that Home Office plans in summer 2015 to “deprioritise” the children of illegal immigrants when allocating school places were only dropped when then education secretary Nicky Morgan expressed “strong concerns” over “practical and presentational issues of applying our strong position on illegal migrants to the emotive issue of children’s education”. Given that the home secretary at the time is now PM, this suggests the government wouldn’t rule out less prominent ways of achieving the same result.
The leak follows the recent addition of children’s country-of-birth and nationality data to the information collected in the schools census and added to the National Pupil Database.
“We can see a pattern,” Laura McInerney, editor of Schools Week, which has covered issues around education and immigration extensively, told BuzzFeed News. “In 2013 there was consideration on banning the children of illegal immigrants from schools, but that broke UN rules.
“We now see there was a move by the Home Office to perhaps deprioritise immigrant children.
“While it looks like the DfE has now held off on that, when the same team who were in the Home Office then are now in charge of the country, it is fair to think that perhaps this policy would come back around again, and it might be something that schools are encouraged to do.”"*

Home office plans to deprioritise children of illegal immigrants is not entirely harmless is it? Nor is banning them from schools... in fact it's illegal. So you'll forgive me if I don't simply accept someone telling me it is without any reasoned argument except that I'm part of a lunatic fringe if I don't?

You realise that the most lunatic of the fringe is about to become President of the US, right?

give people tickets to the UK for us to treat them

Some EU countries are doing this

Sending individuals here for medical treatment

The British are a generous people

Education isn't a privilege. It's a right

redexpat
oracle

It's not illegal to be foreign. Yet.

wifework

Stop being ridiculous

wife

1. that was blocked before it was made public
2. it's exactly the kind of thing I think the public would not wear.
3. I don't think there are enough psychos even in this government for it to pass and
4. It was concerned with illegal immigrants not residents of a certain nationality.

That really is several steps from an imminent armband situation.

I'll acknowledge that the 'yet' part was hyperbole. Really and truly hope it stays that way.

I just didnt hand mine back. I've not been asked to supply it.

I dont know what the return rate was (dont want to poke the nest).

OP you don't have to declare nationality and place of birth if you don't want to. My dcs' schools had a box you could tick in this case.

I didn't pass on this information either, in the light of the horrible tone of last year's Tory conference etc...