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AIBU to think this is an overreaction to me being 'flakey'?

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Carrados · 11/01/2017 09:18

I'm a flakey friend. My friend a week before Christmas invited me and another friend to an event this Friday which has £10 tickets. We both responded that sounds good but didn't discuss buying tickets. I was busy with work before Christmas and my other friend was travelling in NZ. My other friend a week and a half later says 'shall we organise tickets?' And I respond 2 days later (we were in holiday) and said that's a Christmas was a bit more expensive than we thought and I'm short until pay day - could I cancel and can we all get drinks on pay day? I cancelled with 2 weeks notice.

Similarly in Oct same friend organised attending the Friday evening of a week long cocktail event. I cancelled with 4 days notice.

On both events our mutual friend has found someone to replace me and has said from the outset that that was fine (she's very social and her and her friends regularly do this). She's also had to be a bit up in the air with plans as she's working unpredictable days in another city, long days etc.

Over Christmas I was 40 mins late for drinks with a group of friends. I had organised this and was v stressed because this friend didn't have any flexibility with time or date and didn't offer or suggest another time or date in the week we were there over Christmas. I was late because my parents wanted dd for the night, DH then wanted that evening as a date night, and we forgot dad's stuff as we'd taken her on a day out that day.

I know all of this is my fault. I cancelled on the cocktails in October because I'd had a heavy week at work (I was leaving 2 weeks after) and we were all, including this friend, going away for the weekend together the next day. We also saw each other in November and over Christmas, also August and I think September.

I've really struggled to balance work and family life with my new job I started in October. The job is demanding and we had flu then norovirus on the house. My commute is also 3 hours a day and with a toddler waking up at 5.30 in the morning, it was all getting on top of me.

Friend sent me a 300 word message last week and in the message that:

  • I was treating her pretty poorly
  • She was frustrated at me dropping out on more than one occasion at short notice (for the events listed above)
  • That's she guilty of 'trying to make me think'
  • That I shouldn't commit with certainty and then drop out
  • She had been gracious to me so far but can't be expected to over and over again
  • That I need to be fair with my friends (I've checked in and no-one else upset)
  • She gave me a list of things that I could and couldn't cancel for and what I should say in "" when responding to an organised event
  • she said she understood it was demanding being a parent but that was no excuse for how I'd been treating her

I'm at a loss here. I've responded and said I essentially take her point but feel it's a massive overreaction and going 50 notches ahead of what it needs to. If she'd asked I would have told her that I was struggling to balance everything since starting new job and committed to the things above whilst not realising it's full impact.

I should mention she has form for doing this to other friends. She did it to a close friend who became more distant at uni that 'she deserved more respect than that' and then a few years later told her she'd 'let it go considering the circumstances' that her mother had just died.

I don't know if I can be friends with her anymore and I feel awful for thinking that.

AIBU to think this is an overreaction?

OP posts:
2rebecca · 12/01/2017 08:17

You missed out the last minute date night you agreed to when you already had a prior commitment If your husband had nothing on that evening why couldn't he drop off your daughters stuff whilst you went to meet your friends?

Only1scoop · 12/01/2017 08:19

That's what I wondered too

acquiescence · 12/01/2017 08:20

It's an over reaction. You are flaky but not super flaky. I have several friends who have cancelled on me at the last minute and will do again. I do sometimes. If someone does not fancy coming to see me/socialise then I would hate for them to make themselves and have a bad time. I would say that is self centred.

It sounds that you have a busy life and a small child and you are still making the effort to do things like weekends away with friends. This takes work and organisation.

People can be driven to a breakdown by continuously doing what they feel they should do rather than what is right for them at the time. You are doing nothing wrong OP, sometimes plans don't work out and you need to cancel. You are an adult. Your friend sounds like she has some issues with control.

acquiescence · 12/01/2017 08:24

I remember around 10 years ago I was meeting a friend at the pub. I got my drink and waited, she didn't show after 20 minutes, I called and texted with no reply. I sat and enjoyed my drink on my own, read a book, left and got on with my evening, no big deal. She later told me she had forgotten as had been in bed with a new boyfriend. A little annoying but I was pleased she was having fun and we rearranged. I had had a nice break on my own. We are still good friends 10 years on.

During this period we have made lots of plans together and I have had to cancel a couple of times and so has she. No need for all the fury!

Carrados · 12/01/2017 08:30

2rebecca - That was the night I was 40 mins late for drinks. We were having the date night after the drinks as said friend said they could only do 5-7 for group of friends doing drinks. So we had booked day out then drop dd off then drinks then date night (date night - DH asked for at last min because gps we're taking DD. I tried to say we'd do our best to get there on time but xyz then we forgot dd's stuff. I was trying to fit everyone in and make them happy and failed because we ended up back at the house exhausted.

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Carrados · 12/01/2017 08:32

2rebecca DH isn't used to driving on roads in U.K. And was nervous driving at night.

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Carrados · 12/01/2017 08:34

CosyCoupe88 We didn't organise any ticketed event over Christmas. The event is this week and I cancelled 2 weeks ago when me and other friend were organising to buy tickets. She also cancelled because she now has family visiting.

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Carrados · 12/01/2017 08:36

Requested delete of above post.

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Charley50 · 12/01/2017 08:37

Yep totally agree with acquiescence. Some of us try to people please and fall in with others plans; it's so good to learn to say no.
I love my flakier friends; by dropping out of things themselves, they've given me the go ahead to do the same.
I don't think you're flakey at all OP, just normal.

CosyCoupe88 · 12/01/2017 08:45

Yes I read it too fast I think and go muddled about the xmas ticket thing. Sorry. You don t sound like the flakeiest of flakes ti be honest.. just sounds like you've cancelled or dropped out quite a lot in a short space of time. Maybe it's had a negative impact on her and she just wants some reassurance it's not going to become a trend. I haven't read all 8 pages but maybe have a chat with her in person. She sounds like she cares about you and doesn'twant ti lose you that's what I was trying to say!

FrutiFlutey · 12/01/2017 08:45

I do not agree with the majority of posters on this thread! I also started a new job in October 50 hours a week and am struggling to balance everything.

I have one friend who wants me to go round her house every Saturday! And not for a few hours... all day (11am-6pm) when I make my excuses she engages my ds is something fun! It's infuriating!

I've had to cancel because I can not bare to spend 4 of my 8 days off a month around her house! I have a life to live too! I have a family and I have hobbies!

So I feel your pain completely

Carrados · 12/01/2017 08:49

Thanks CosyCoupe88 - it's a long thread! I've sent her a message with an apology and also explaining why and hope she can understand why I was upset. I haven't heard back from her yet

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CosyCoupe88 · 12/01/2017 08:52

:)

Carrados · 12/01/2017 08:52

FrutiFlutey - moving to a new city I completely understand her wanting to meet up and we have been once a month in a group and it's been great to see her. Because we're old friends, maybe she was hoping to pick up more and I tried but couldn't offer that. When we meet up we have a real laugh and it's lovely. Maybe this was a teething period for her moving here and me with a new job about what we can and can't do. I do hope though that it stops becoming an issue of whether I respect her or value her friendship. I said yes to things because I really wanted to see her and just thought planning wise it would all work out.

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ChuckSnowballs · 12/01/2017 08:55

Essentially you missed 3 things over two months, and you get a 300 word essay telling you off. And in those 2 months has been the start of a new job and Christmas. And you have carried on through with a weekend away with her/them during that time as well.

You aren't flaky love, you are human.

SnotGoblin · 12/01/2017 08:56

Without having read the whole thread, I think that if you'd responded to any of the listed invites with a maybe or a qualified, 'look I'd love to but can't commit right now as I have so many demands on my time; baby, job, etc' you might have got a different reaction. I realise that my suggested response in quotes is what your friend did to you in the letter that bothered you (you really counted the words?).

Since having kids, there is no way I can keep up with the singleton social set so I don't even bother trying. Any invite I get is qualified heavily with maybes and we'll sees and I probalby won't be able to but would definitely love to. Nobody has yet fired off a scathing note about what a shit friend I am thought I am gagging for a cocktail.

AnchorDownDeepBreath · 12/01/2017 09:01

I'd your reply came off at all like you have here, you've essentially said "Sorry, but I'm not sorry."

Being flakey isn't some innocent forgivable thing. It's explainable and understandable under some circumstances; but in most cases a few incidents of flakiness (or treating the other person really poorly, to give it another name) are enough to end the friendship.

You may well not like getting 300 word lectures but this wasn't the time. It also isn't the time to say you didn't used to be close or to make excuses. You just decide if you want the friendship and if you do, apologise. At least she spent the time writing you a message and didn't just decide to bail on you. A lot of people would have.

Being half the friendship doesn't matter if you're the crap half. It matters even less when there is no friendship to save.

2rebecca · 12/01/2017 09:10

If you were meeting your friends at 5 then surely your husband wouldn't have been driving "at night" but at 4-5pm? I'd be making him get more driving practice if he's dumping all the driving on you rather than giving him sexy date nights.

Edwardobolando · 12/01/2017 09:10

Hi have friends who are always late and it absolutely winds me up. If I can be on time why can't they? I have friends whereby I will say 'lets meet at 6' and I'll be at the meeting spot by 6 and then will suddenly receive a message saying 'just waiting for the taxi'. It's rude. If it happens once or twice then no bother but it's all the time and so frustrating.

Foureyesarebetterthantwo · 12/01/2017 09:12

It's not even flaky to talk about going to an event and then say you don't want to go!

The only truly flaky thing was being late for a meet up and that was you over-reaching yourself.

No wonder there are so many posts about people not having friends, my experience is that they require flexibility, and that they change over time. I wouldn't harass a friend who started a new demanding commuting job with a child to do lots of events/cocktail events, I'd be thinking more along the lines of a quick phone call on their commute to catch up every few weeks!

Foureyesarebetterthantwo · 12/01/2017 09:14

I also wouldn't be friends if I received a 300 word lecture over anything!

minimonkey11 · 12/01/2017 09:20

I have this problem with things being organised in advance then when it gets to the date I sometimes just dont feel like going. Nowadays i say 'maybe' to a lot of things rather than a definite yes. If it was ticketed though i'd go. I think you sound like me and my friends and none of us would say we were 'flakey' and we'd certainly never send a message like that. we would just put it down to us having individual personalities and traits e.g. x is always late or y is always skint etc. We tend to add half an hour onto the time we say we will meet - we just know each other well. Get some friends that are more understanding, fun and not so easily offended xx

peroxidebrown · 12/01/2017 09:21

I don't think what you've described (your behaviour) sounds bad at all! People have busy lives and things crop up, friends have to just go with it. You're not treating her badly, I had to cancel plans before Christmas as work things came up and then I had flu for ages. That's life. She sounds immature and self important. Don't apologise she will just think she's right. Tell her what you've said here. I would argue she is a way worse friend than you for being so uptight and difficult. Aren't friends supposed to support each other?

Timeforteaplease · 12/01/2017 09:21

I just don't get how people can be 'so busy' and 'blah blah' that they think they are excused from basic manners. If there are genuine issues - for example health problems - then fair enough; good friends will of course understand. But if it is just the usual normal life stuff we ALL deal with (work, kids, family) then being flakey is really just another word for rude.
It is bloody annoying when you are the one kept waiting in the bar, or trying to organise tickets, or chasing people for answers to invites.

peroxidebrown · 12/01/2017 09:29

Also it's not your job to settle her into a new city- you've seen her loads as it is! I actually can't believe anyone thinks a 300 word message critiquing your performance as a friend is anything other than stark raving mad.