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AIBU to think this is an overreaction to me being 'flakey'?

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Carrados · 11/01/2017 09:18

I'm a flakey friend. My friend a week before Christmas invited me and another friend to an event this Friday which has £10 tickets. We both responded that sounds good but didn't discuss buying tickets. I was busy with work before Christmas and my other friend was travelling in NZ. My other friend a week and a half later says 'shall we organise tickets?' And I respond 2 days later (we were in holiday) and said that's a Christmas was a bit more expensive than we thought and I'm short until pay day - could I cancel and can we all get drinks on pay day? I cancelled with 2 weeks notice.

Similarly in Oct same friend organised attending the Friday evening of a week long cocktail event. I cancelled with 4 days notice.

On both events our mutual friend has found someone to replace me and has said from the outset that that was fine (she's very social and her and her friends regularly do this). She's also had to be a bit up in the air with plans as she's working unpredictable days in another city, long days etc.

Over Christmas I was 40 mins late for drinks with a group of friends. I had organised this and was v stressed because this friend didn't have any flexibility with time or date and didn't offer or suggest another time or date in the week we were there over Christmas. I was late because my parents wanted dd for the night, DH then wanted that evening as a date night, and we forgot dad's stuff as we'd taken her on a day out that day.

I know all of this is my fault. I cancelled on the cocktails in October because I'd had a heavy week at work (I was leaving 2 weeks after) and we were all, including this friend, going away for the weekend together the next day. We also saw each other in November and over Christmas, also August and I think September.

I've really struggled to balance work and family life with my new job I started in October. The job is demanding and we had flu then norovirus on the house. My commute is also 3 hours a day and with a toddler waking up at 5.30 in the morning, it was all getting on top of me.

Friend sent me a 300 word message last week and in the message that:

  • I was treating her pretty poorly
  • She was frustrated at me dropping out on more than one occasion at short notice (for the events listed above)
  • That's she guilty of 'trying to make me think'
  • That I shouldn't commit with certainty and then drop out
  • She had been gracious to me so far but can't be expected to over and over again
  • That I need to be fair with my friends (I've checked in and no-one else upset)
  • She gave me a list of things that I could and couldn't cancel for and what I should say in "" when responding to an organised event
  • she said she understood it was demanding being a parent but that was no excuse for how I'd been treating her

I'm at a loss here. I've responded and said I essentially take her point but feel it's a massive overreaction and going 50 notches ahead of what it needs to. If she'd asked I would have told her that I was struggling to balance everything since starting new job and committed to the things above whilst not realising it's full impact.

I should mention she has form for doing this to other friends. She did it to a close friend who became more distant at uni that 'she deserved more respect than that' and then a few years later told her she'd 'let it go considering the circumstances' that her mother had just died.

I don't know if I can be friends with her anymore and I feel awful for thinking that.

AIBU to think this is an overreaction?

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MovingOnUpMovingOnOut · 11/01/2017 09:44

But finding a replacement takes time and effort. It is an imposition and does suggest a lack of regard for the friend's time and trouble.

Carrados · 11/01/2017 09:44

mrsm43s - Yes because during those two months it was about me. I was there for said friend through her horrible break up early last year. We have never been very close but we had a mutual superficial relationship, no arguments etc. I would have apologised straight off if she's had a chat with me. But it wasn't meant as selfishness or disrespect. I still saw her regularly.

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Carrados · 11/01/2017 09:46

MovingOnUpMovingOnOut - she didn't have to find a replacement. My mutual up in the air with plans friend found one with a quick message to a friend and said she was happy to do so.

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WiggleYourWoo · 11/01/2017 09:46

Well I have dropped a flakey friend without a warning recently. I know she is very busy being a single mother and working but it got to a point where it became impossible to sustain a relationship because she is never there.

mrsm43s · 11/01/2017 09:46

I'll be honest, I've been stung by an incredibly "flakey" friend before, who turned out to be an absolute self centred (and slightly unhinged) cow, and maybe I'm being harsh since it's only 3 events that the OP is talking about. But "flakey" behaviour is just not OK in my opinion. If you don't want to do something, don't commit to it, if you do commit to it, make sure you do it. It's really not hard, and it's incredibly selfish to let people down.

Trifleorbust · 11/01/2017 09:47

You do sound somewhat flaky but she sounds unbearably precious.

Foldedtshirt · 11/01/2017 09:48

You don't sound flakey- a wohm with a 3 hour commute who manages to see friends at all is doing amazingly well. She sounds like a drama llama.
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CheeseFiend36 · 11/01/2017 09:48

I think your friend's text is a massive overreaction, it's not like you can't be arsed, you are clearly struggling with the current demands of life and your friend should be supporting you eg, offering to come and see you at your house or arranging something more convenient for you to attend.

I would much rather be a flakey friend rather than someone who doesn't give a damn about the welfare of a friend

NuffSaidSam · 11/01/2017 09:48

It would be interesting to hear her side of this.

You admit to being flakey, but then qualify it with new job/baby who wakes early/long commute/DH nagging/norovirus/Christmas is expensive etc. etc. You're not really accepting it as your fault if it's 'it's my fault, buuuuuuut

Memoires · 11/01/2017 09:48

I'd be very hurt in your place. I'd be thinking that she knows I'm not normally like that and I'd expect a friend t ask if I were Ok before blasting in telling me off.

I think she sounds self-important and uncaring, and I would care very much less about her if I were in your position. Especially as no other friends are bothered.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 11/01/2017 09:49

I do sympathise with her, because (as you acknowledge), you're being annoying. But, what you need to do is to change how you operate. I'm bad at this. For a long time, I was studying working part-time, and had quite a flexible lifestyle, so I could generally see friends more or less whenever. These days I am super busy, and I keep finding I'm unable to meet up. I still find it really difficult not to get enthusiastic initially and to make promises I can't keep. But you have to be firm with yourself, and say 'no, I'm too busy, I won't be able to'. And you have to be honest and say you messed up, rather than hiding behind a term like 'flakey' which makes it sound as if you're not really that apologetic or inclined to change how you act.

JaneJeffer · 11/01/2017 09:50

I agree with mrsm. I have a relation like this and it just gets so tiresome. Being left waiting, forgetting to tell you they aren't going to even show up and then they aren't even a bit sorry.

I'm too old for that type of shit now.

If you want to remain friends I suggest you apologise and stop agreeing to do things you really have no intention of doing in the first place.

Carrados · 11/01/2017 09:51

MovingOnUpMovingOnOut - she didn't ha r to run around after me because I didn't buy the ticket to begin with and the cocktail event I cancelled, we went away together for the weekend the next day! I haven't had better offers - it was my DH saying that he'd been struggling with my new job and had to do more pick ups that week and could I cancel because he felt I wasn't being supportive at home enough with new job. We've had to change routine with this job (his previous job was v demanding and I picked up most of tasks) and while he was fine with it, in practice after 2 weeks resented me going out for the drinks as well as weekend even though all planned in advance.

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Bluntness100 · 11/01/2017 09:51

I think calling it being flakey is basically softening it and making the behaviour sound nicer than it is. My friends call me a bit flakey, but because I sometimes misunderstand or say silly things that amuse them, not because I'm unreliable.

People being late, dropping out etc isn't flakey it's rude, disrespectful and unreliable. If uou make a commitment then you should meet that commitment in a timely manner, occasionally having a problem is one thing, repeated behaviour indicates about not giving a shit.

alltouchedout · 11/01/2017 09:51

Bloody hell but that's over the top. I can't be doing with that level of drama in my life, and I don't want up themselves friends who think it's their place to lecture me.

Carrados · 11/01/2017 09:52

JaneJeffer I have apologies.

It was drinks at a pub and others were there.

Was a two month period.

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NathanBarleyrocks · 11/01/2017 09:52

I wouldn't have bothered sending you a text. I'd just stop contact. You seem to not give a shit about how you treat people so I'd assume you wouldn't mind being treated similarly in return.

Carrados · 11/01/2017 09:54

mrsm43s And I feel awful about it. Trying so hard to keep on top of everything and I'm gutted I've upset her but also feel very stung by the tone and language used to me.

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Carrados · 11/01/2017 09:54

mrsm43s And I feel awful about it. Trying so hard to keep on top of everything and I'm gutted I've upset her but also feel very stung by the tone and language used to me.

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Only1scoop · 11/01/2017 09:54

I wouldn't have wasted my time with 300 words. I'd just phase you out.

JaneJeffer · 11/01/2017 09:55

Well in that case I think maybe you two are just not suited to being friends with each other. It sounds like this has been building over time and she has had enough and now so have you.

mummyof2pr · 11/01/2017 09:55

I don't think I would have reacted the way she did, I would have gotten a bit annoyed and felt like you maybe weren't interested in maintaining the friendship and just sent a message saying to let me know when you would want to get together and leave it in your hands.

Carrados · 11/01/2017 09:56

NathanBarleyrocks - I'm upset and came on here and truthfully owned up to flakiness in getting advice. Please don't project your experiences onto me because it was giving a shit that got me into this mess and over relying on my friends kindness thinkingg it was OK/that she understood.

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Foureyesarebetterthantwo · 11/01/2017 09:56

I think your issue is that you are afraid to say 'I won't be able to make any events in Dec, but would love to meet in Jan' and then stick to that. You make arrangements and then break them. You just need to be honest and realistic in what you can do. You have a three hour commute and a small child, there won't be much time for socializing, so either it has to be done by text/phone call, the odd meet-up perhaps in holidays, and if that's not enough for your friend, she has to jog on.

You don't have an entitlement to a certain amount of visits per friend, but you should expect clear and honest communication about what is and isn't possible, that's where you went wrong. I would apologise about that and then let her know what your situation is and how you will still find it hard to meet up.

Meeting up several times a year under the circumstances is actually pretty good going, she sounds demanding and uninterested in your changed situation.

Bluntness100 · 11/01/2017 09:56

I'd have to say enough of the behaviour and I'd just stop inviting you too. Turning up late or dropping out isn't nice to be on the receiving end of.

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