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AIBU to think this is an overreaction to me being 'flakey'?

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Carrados · 11/01/2017 09:18

I'm a flakey friend. My friend a week before Christmas invited me and another friend to an event this Friday which has £10 tickets. We both responded that sounds good but didn't discuss buying tickets. I was busy with work before Christmas and my other friend was travelling in NZ. My other friend a week and a half later says 'shall we organise tickets?' And I respond 2 days later (we were in holiday) and said that's a Christmas was a bit more expensive than we thought and I'm short until pay day - could I cancel and can we all get drinks on pay day? I cancelled with 2 weeks notice.

Similarly in Oct same friend organised attending the Friday evening of a week long cocktail event. I cancelled with 4 days notice.

On both events our mutual friend has found someone to replace me and has said from the outset that that was fine (she's very social and her and her friends regularly do this). She's also had to be a bit up in the air with plans as she's working unpredictable days in another city, long days etc.

Over Christmas I was 40 mins late for drinks with a group of friends. I had organised this and was v stressed because this friend didn't have any flexibility with time or date and didn't offer or suggest another time or date in the week we were there over Christmas. I was late because my parents wanted dd for the night, DH then wanted that evening as a date night, and we forgot dad's stuff as we'd taken her on a day out that day.

I know all of this is my fault. I cancelled on the cocktails in October because I'd had a heavy week at work (I was leaving 2 weeks after) and we were all, including this friend, going away for the weekend together the next day. We also saw each other in November and over Christmas, also August and I think September.

I've really struggled to balance work and family life with my new job I started in October. The job is demanding and we had flu then norovirus on the house. My commute is also 3 hours a day and with a toddler waking up at 5.30 in the morning, it was all getting on top of me.

Friend sent me a 300 word message last week and in the message that:

  • I was treating her pretty poorly
  • She was frustrated at me dropping out on more than one occasion at short notice (for the events listed above)
  • That's she guilty of 'trying to make me think'
  • That I shouldn't commit with certainty and then drop out
  • She had been gracious to me so far but can't be expected to over and over again
  • That I need to be fair with my friends (I've checked in and no-one else upset)
  • She gave me a list of things that I could and couldn't cancel for and what I should say in "" when responding to an organised event
  • she said she understood it was demanding being a parent but that was no excuse for how I'd been treating her

I'm at a loss here. I've responded and said I essentially take her point but feel it's a massive overreaction and going 50 notches ahead of what it needs to. If she'd asked I would have told her that I was struggling to balance everything since starting new job and committed to the things above whilst not realising it's full impact.

I should mention she has form for doing this to other friends. She did it to a close friend who became more distant at uni that 'she deserved more respect than that' and then a few years later told her she'd 'let it go considering the circumstances' that her mother had just died.

I don't know if I can be friends with her anymore and I feel awful for thinking that.

AIBU to think this is an overreaction?

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thatsnotmyusername · 11/01/2017 17:02

Just because she has had to cancel doesn't mean she doesn't want to see her friend though! Or that she doesn't value her.

I am generally a reliable person although I have been guilty of cancelling plans - is there anyone who honestly hasn't?! And yes, everyone is busy but cut people some slack! I tend to now not commit to anything and am forever Turning things down. I hate it, and I am terrified my friends with stop trying to arrange things. But, my closest and dearest friends understand and will be still there when my life becomes easier to organise (full time, erratic shifts, lots of children). Those friendship wax and wane like the moon, but I know the moon will still be there. And I am not taking advantage or for granted that it will. I put effort in in other ways, but we just know sometimes life is hard! If I friend cut me out cos I missed a social event....who needs pressure like that! I have enough pressure in my life!

Headofthehive55 · 11/01/2017 17:38

It's not that I'd deliberately strike someone out, rather, they would drop off my radar. Otherpeople would fill the gap, it happens naturally.

zeezeek · 11/01/2017 18:11

I wouldn't have wasted anymore of my time on writing to you, I would have just ditched you and not bothered to get into contact again.

Life is busy for everyone, whether you have a husband and kids or not. If friends are important to you, then you make an effort. If they are not, then don't - but don't expect those friends to put up with you only when it suits you.

If she is single then she might be feeling quite lonely moving to a new city and so, yeah, her friends are going to be more important to her now than maybe at other times.

NotTheOtherEmily · 11/01/2017 18:21

I gets really stressed out by flakey people. There is nothing more irritating than friends cancelling on you for less than compelling reasons. We almost all have busy lives and get tired, but if I'm prepared to make space in mine to see a friend and regularly find that this is not reciprocated then I usually find a way to phase that friend out. It's unkind, and implies that your time is less valuable than theirs. I probably wouldn't have sent the text though, I'm far too passive aggressive for that.

Atenco · 11/01/2017 18:40

I really think you should appreciate that she considers you an important enough friend to be able to tell you when she bothered by something you are doing.

You apologized and obviously you will try to avoid doing this again. Maybe you could explain to her that you would rather say yes in the hope that things will work out and permit you to go, rather than always say no.

Personally I find it hard to tell a friend when they have done something to upset me, but if they take it well, our friendship is all the stronger for it.

SnatchedPencil · 11/01/2017 19:01

YAB a bit U, your friend has been more than patient with you. By your own admission you are "flakey" and to a friend, who doesn't know what's going on in your mind, you behaviour will seem ten times worse than it does to you.

I think most people would phase you out of their lives. You are busy, you have a life away from this friend. The message you have been sending out is the message that you probably know, deep down, but can't admit to yourself: the friend in question really isn't that important to you. Certainly less important than the other things that you have used to excuse or justify your behaviour (both to her and to yourself).

This friend needs you more than you feel you need her. She feels let down and hurt by your repeated rejection. She's sent you that message because she wants you to change, she wants you to be more reliable - in essence, she wants you to be someone you quite clearly are not.

You are two different people and you are too different AS people. She has an idea of the friend she wants you to be, which unfortunately doesn't coincide with the type of friend that you are.

There are three plausible outcomes here:

  1. You change, and don't let her down again.
  2. She changes, and accepts you for who you are.
  3. You cease to be friends. Either a dramatic, argumentative conclusion, or a period of your friendship slowly fizzling out.

It's sad, but it's like a relationship that ends. What you saw in each other isn't there any longer. Perhaps it never was. If neither of you is willing and able to change, you're both better off finding someone who will meet your needs.

melj1213 · 11/01/2017 19:26

I can't believe some people would actually phase out a friend because of this! My friends mean a lot to me and I am certainly more tolerant of their lives than phasing them out for being late/cancelling/not committing occasionally.

Occasionally, fine - life happens to us all.

But when it becomes a regular thing, or something they have arranged and invited you to then yes I have phased friends out over being flakey because they are prioritising everything else above me, repeatedly.

I had a friend who would bump into me in town or message and be all like "OMG we haven't seen each other for ages! We must get together soon for a catch up!" then we'd go back and forward for a day or two, finding a day/time that suited us both then 9 times out of ten, on the day they'd message to cancel ... sometimes only an hour before we were meant to be meeting, so I might have already set off to meet them or on the last occasion, I was already at the cafe we were meeting at and had been waiting 20 mins before I messaged them to ask if they were running late, ony to get a "I am at with mum! So sorry!" That was the last straw for me and I have never made arrangements with that friend again.

I have another friend who will frequently be late but she still gets invited to things unreservedly and I'm happy to wrrite off her flakey behaviour when it happens because she's a great friend who is a single mum to 3 kids ... and she will keep everyone updated at all times, so as soon as she knows she'll be late she will let us know. If we're arranging something, she will always say "sounds good, but let me check the calender before I say a definite yes"... maybe she's then agreed to go out but something comes up, she messages straight away and apologises, offers to pay for any tickets we're out of pocket for etc or tries to offer an alternative. Because she is so considerate people are willing to not hold it against her when she has to cancel.

Charley50 · 11/01/2017 22:11

It doesn't mean you don't care about someone just because you realise going to a particular event isn't worth the time / effort / money / travel involved. Some of the responders on here are far too demanding of their friendships. Enjoy friends for who they are, not by these unrealistic expectations. Friends come first when we're young; other things become a priority as we get older; it doesn't mean friends aren't important.

2rebecca · 11/01/2017 23:23

If you recurrently cancel things because you decide they aren't worth the effort then you shouldn't rush to commit yourself before you think about the event properly. Expecting this pattern of behaviour not to piss people off is the unrealistic expectation.
It's better to be unsure about whether or not you want to go and then confirm it than to enthusiastically commit then cancel.

IMissGrannyW · 11/01/2017 23:45

Been skivingly reading this thread all day at work, and on some levels I feel I'm with all sides....

One of DH's good friends is ALWAYS late, for EVERYTHING.... when he and DH meet up, DH will always suggest they meet at (for example) 7:30, KNOWING he'll puff up at 8 apologising profusely. But this guy is always late for EVERYTHING... work, his wedding (!!!!), he misses trains and buses constantly. His timekeeping is crap.

One of my good friends is always half an hour late to come and see me, if she turns up, which she doesn't always do. She also cancels on the day/at the last minute. But she's on time for most of her life - she gets to work on time and to other social engagements. It seems to me she's sending me a message about how much she values me. She'll say "can I come round on Friday and eat CHEESE?" so I'll get in cheese (and prosecco, which she also likes) and then she won't show or will get a better offer.

It's hard not to keep this in mind when I read the OP's OP and subsequent comments.

The difference is that OP has a young family whereas the friend seems to be single and the other 2 things are that friend is new to area where OP is established but OP has just started a more demanding job.
So in the case of THIS THREAD, I think the friend is being U. I think the OP is right to reflect on how she might have escalated the situation (and plenty of PPs agree with that thinking and have been quite harsh with her). Perhaps the bottom line here is that the friend was hoping the OP would help her integrate socially into the area until she's more established and is upset that the OP isn't able to do that because of family/job commitments. Agree with PPs who've suggested OP accepts invites more cautiously.
But ultimately, I don't the OP is being U, but I think the message she got from the friend was.

SukiPutTheEarlGreyOn · 12/01/2017 00:31

The thing is what outcome do you want? You can either take umbrage and escalate the situation or talk to your friend face to face (ditch the texts or messages where tone doesn't always communicate well). Tell her you've been having a difficult time. Listen to what's been going on in her life and find out what's actually behind her (over) reaction . Most of us have been flakey at some point in our lives and also been on the receiving end of flakey mates. It's really annoying but also understandable. The message must have been hurtful but part of you also knows some of the things she said are valid - that's why it's so irritating. How you and your friend choose to handle it from this point is what will determine whether it's just a blip or the end of a friendship. Both hang up your judgey pants, cut each other some slack and talk.

ExplodedCloud · 12/01/2017 01:19

I'd be pissed off with you. When I was young, free and single I would turn things down for prior plans only to have 'flaky' friends bail or be late. Occasionally was fine but being dumped or left all dressed up and nowhere to go because people were busy was hard. You might have done it 3 times. You don't know if other people have done it too. All of you assuming "it's just a few times".
I have flaky friends now that I assume will bail. I agree to coffee and assume it won't happen.
Just say "No idea if I can make it. I will come if I can but don't rely on me. Keep me posted"

MrsBlennerhassett · 12/01/2017 01:54

Im a 'flakey friend' and i feel your pain. Im always late to everything. Always have been. Im better at being reliable now days but when i was younger i was always not turning up just because of the chaotic nature of my life.
Thing is when you are friends with someone you take that into account i think. I have friends and they all have different flaws and either you accept them or you phase out the friendship. You dont send people rude ultimatums demanding certain behaviours. If you dont like how someone is then you dont need to continue a friendship with them.
Im not flakey on purpose and people that genuinely are my friends understand my issues just as i have compassion and understanding for theirs.
I think its acceptable to say something like 'im a bit pissed off you are late because i was counting on you' at the time but to send someone a long manifesto about why they are crap and what you want them to do is a bit loops imo.
Id be phasing out anyone who did that to me!!

7SunshineSeven7 · 12/01/2017 02:15

Saw this and thought it was applicable. Story of someone else...

Earlier today, I served as the “young woman’s voice” in a panel of local experts at a Girl Scouts speaking event. One question for the panel was something to the effect of, “Should parents read their daughter’s texts or monitor her online activity for bad language and inappropriate content?”

I was surprised when the first panelist answered the question as if it were about cyberbullying. The adult audience nodded sagely as she spoke about the importance of protecting children online.

I reached for the microphone next. I said, “As far as reading your child’s texts or logging into their social media profiles, I would say 99.9% of the time, do not do that.”

Looks of total shock answered me. I actually saw heads jerk back in surprise. Even some of my fellow panelists blinked.

Everyone stared as I explained that going behind a child’s back in such a way severs the bond of trust with the parent. When I said, “This is the most effective way to ensure that your child never tells you anything,” it was like I’d delivered a revelation.

It’s easy to talk about the disconnect between the old and the young, but I don’t think I’d ever been so slapped in the face by the reality of it. It was clear that for most of the parents I spoke to, the idea of such actions as a violation had never occurred to them at all.

It alarms me how quickly adults forget that children are people.
daeranilen
Apparently people are rediscovering this post somehow and I think that’s pretty cool! Having experienced similar violations of trust in my youth, this is an important issue to me, so I want to add my personal story:

Around age 13, I tried to express to my mother that I thought I might have clinical depression, and she snapped at me “not to joke about things like that.” I stopped telling my mother when I felt depressed.

Around age 15, I caught my mother reading my diary. She confessed that any time she saw me write in my diary, she would sneak into my room and read it, because I only wrote when I was upset. I stopped keeping a diary.

Around age 18, I had an emotional breakdown while on vacation because I didn’t want to go to college. I ended up seeing a therapist for - surprise surprise - depression.

Around age 21, I spoke on this panel with my mother in the audience, and afterwards I mentioned the diary incident to her with respect to this particular Q&A. Her eyes welled up, and she said, “You know I read those because I was worried you were depressed and going to hurt yourself, right?”

TL;DR: When you invade your child’s privacy, you communicate three things:

You do not respect their rights as an individual.
You do not trust them to navigate problems or seek help on their own.
You probably haven’t been listening to them.
Information about almost every issue that you think you have to snoop for can probably be obtained by communicating with and listening to your child.

7SunshineSeven7 · 12/01/2017 02:16

[Sorry wrong thread]

NightWanderer · 12/01/2017 05:40

A friend of mine cancelled lunch recently because she was tired. I don't see her as flakey. I told her that she is pregnant, working full time, and has a toddler. She needs to take care of herself and not to worry about cancelling we can meet another time when things are less hectic. I can't even imagine phasing her out over it or sending her a shitty text. How about some empathy people?

Carrados · 12/01/2017 07:30

ExplodedCloud - I've never left friend dressed up and waiting somewhere never.

Sorted a replacement first time. Tickets weren't booked the second time (she'd already booked tickets with her other friends and invited me and my other friend as a tag-a-long - said other friend also cancelled around the same time as her parents are now visiting).

OP posts:
Carrados · 12/01/2017 07:31

SukiPutTheEarlGreyOn - that's what I want. I

OP posts:
Carrados · 12/01/2017 07:34

2rebecca - it wasn't that they weren't worth it:

The first I cancelled we were all going away for the weekend the next day, I gave 4 days notice and other friend happily sorted replacement (happened all the time in London).

The second I was late because forgot dd's stuff and she could only meet 5-7 on one day over Christmas break and we had already booked and paid for our own day out and dd went to gps last min and we forgot her stuff.

Third - tickets weren't even booked by even me or other friend and gave 3 weeks notice.

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CosyCoupe88 · 12/01/2017 07:37

She is trying to give you a chance ti sort your flakey arse out before she, and others, dump you. I would drop you. If you don't want to do something. .. say no initially. Think about it then make a decision and stick to it. Yabu

Carrados · 12/01/2017 07:38

CosyCoupe88 - projecting much? I don't have any issues with other friends. I've checked and actually they are annoyed with her (she has form for this) but I didn't want to bring that into the conversation.

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Ohdearducks · 12/01/2017 07:40

She sounds completely up herself to be honest, who does she think she is? 😂
My friend is the biggest flake going, yeah it's annoying at times but I'd never try to guilt her with cuckoo, hard done by poor me, 'I deserve better' batshit text messages. Tell her to get over herself and block her number, what a dick!

CosyCoupe88 · 12/01/2017 07:51

Projecting ?! Nope. Just try and take her advice a little... try not to be so flakey because your other friends will soon get bored of it and stop inviting you out.

Think before you say yes and be confident to say no originally if you don't fancy it. 40 minutes late when you could only meet for 2 hours not cool. Especially as you almost feels it's justified as she gave you such a narrow window ... you're the one who said yes and agreed to it!

The christmas ticket one you saod yes to and then changed mind as it was close ti christmas. .. Didn't you already know that initially?

Maybe I have misread something. .. I didn't spend much time reading it to be honest but you sounded like you nay be getting annoyed with a friend who may genuinely just be trying to help. Things come across badly on text. . She may have done better talking to you in person maybe but at least she is trying tp talk to you

CosyCoupe88 · 12/01/2017 07:59

Just read it again and the xmas tixket thing prices went up or whatever.

Your friend obviously feels hurt by how you are behaving so either respond to that or ignore it if you think she is unreasonable amd you don't mind her distancing herself from you a bit. Depends how willing you are to compromise to keep her happy and your friendship. :)

coffeetasteslikeshit · 12/01/2017 08:07

Maybe I have misread something. .. I didn't spend much time reading it to be honest

I read your posts thinking "has she/he actually read what op has written?"
Turns out you haven't. It helps you know.