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AIBU to think this is an overreaction to me being 'flakey'?

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Carrados · 11/01/2017 09:18

I'm a flakey friend. My friend a week before Christmas invited me and another friend to an event this Friday which has £10 tickets. We both responded that sounds good but didn't discuss buying tickets. I was busy with work before Christmas and my other friend was travelling in NZ. My other friend a week and a half later says 'shall we organise tickets?' And I respond 2 days later (we were in holiday) and said that's a Christmas was a bit more expensive than we thought and I'm short until pay day - could I cancel and can we all get drinks on pay day? I cancelled with 2 weeks notice.

Similarly in Oct same friend organised attending the Friday evening of a week long cocktail event. I cancelled with 4 days notice.

On both events our mutual friend has found someone to replace me and has said from the outset that that was fine (she's very social and her and her friends regularly do this). She's also had to be a bit up in the air with plans as she's working unpredictable days in another city, long days etc.

Over Christmas I was 40 mins late for drinks with a group of friends. I had organised this and was v stressed because this friend didn't have any flexibility with time or date and didn't offer or suggest another time or date in the week we were there over Christmas. I was late because my parents wanted dd for the night, DH then wanted that evening as a date night, and we forgot dad's stuff as we'd taken her on a day out that day.

I know all of this is my fault. I cancelled on the cocktails in October because I'd had a heavy week at work (I was leaving 2 weeks after) and we were all, including this friend, going away for the weekend together the next day. We also saw each other in November and over Christmas, also August and I think September.

I've really struggled to balance work and family life with my new job I started in October. The job is demanding and we had flu then norovirus on the house. My commute is also 3 hours a day and with a toddler waking up at 5.30 in the morning, it was all getting on top of me.

Friend sent me a 300 word message last week and in the message that:

  • I was treating her pretty poorly
  • She was frustrated at me dropping out on more than one occasion at short notice (for the events listed above)
  • That's she guilty of 'trying to make me think'
  • That I shouldn't commit with certainty and then drop out
  • She had been gracious to me so far but can't be expected to over and over again
  • That I need to be fair with my friends (I've checked in and no-one else upset)
  • She gave me a list of things that I could and couldn't cancel for and what I should say in "" when responding to an organised event
  • she said she understood it was demanding being a parent but that was no excuse for how I'd been treating her

I'm at a loss here. I've responded and said I essentially take her point but feel it's a massive overreaction and going 50 notches ahead of what it needs to. If she'd asked I would have told her that I was struggling to balance everything since starting new job and committed to the things above whilst not realising it's full impact.

I should mention she has form for doing this to other friends. She did it to a close friend who became more distant at uni that 'she deserved more respect than that' and then a few years later told her she'd 'let it go considering the circumstances' that her mother had just died.

I don't know if I can be friends with her anymore and I feel awful for thinking that.

AIBU to think this is an overreaction?

OP posts:
KondosSecretJunkRoom · 11/01/2017 10:53

I'd expect a friend to check in and see how I was doing, express concern that this was unlike me

On the one hand, you were hoping that your friend would see past your recent behaviour and ruminate on why you aren't as reliable as normal, hoping that they would see you were struggling and express concern.

And on the other hand, you are cross because your friend has, in your opinion, flown off the handle, going from 1-100 and this is very unusual and upsetting. But instead of seeing past the strength of her her reaction and wondering what's going on in her world to make her so angry by something you consider so minor, you are on MN trying to gauge how unfair she has been and how much responsibility you should take.

Just get past it and ring her up.

Sidge · 11/01/2017 10:58

You opened your first post by saying "I'm a flakey friend". Now you're saying "there isn't a long history of my flakiness".

She moved to your city in September, you started your new job in October and since then have bailed on her 3 or 4 times. That's a fair bit in a short time. As I said, I get that you're madly busy and I understand why you're hurt.

I hope you can salvage your friendship.

ZippyNeedsFeeding · 11/01/2017 11:03

Since the flakiness is new, I'd think a quick message to ask if everything is okay or if you need help would suffice. Her message sounds like the kind of dressing down I haven't had since I left school and no adult likes to feel like they've been told off.
Since you aren't the first person to be told off in this way, it's probably the kind of behaviour she isn't going to change because she thinks it's fine. If you have the energy and you think your friendship is worth it then speak to her about it (leading with how sorry you are for the recent flakiness), but otherwise just let it go and don't make arrangements with her again.

Carrados · 11/01/2017 11:04

Sidge - her arrival at the city coincided with new job. I opened the thread with that because I take ownership of my behaviour these past few months but it all seems a bit ridiculous.

I came on here to fully gauge my behaviour. There have been really useful posts both understanding my behaviour and calling me up on my shit.

I have now messages my friend and apologised with no 'buts', suggested what might work best in the future and filled her in and reassured her that I respect and value her friendship and will make an effort to communicate more helpfully and with my shit together when making plans. I've said I hope she can forgive me and that movin forward we understand each other better. I've explained that i was committing to things because I wanted to see her but not being great at realistically working out what I could and couldn't do because I still want to be social and it's also a lot for me to accept with a 2 year old that it's just not possible with this new job.

OP posts:
Gooseygoosey12345 · 11/01/2017 11:07

My 'best friend' and I are SO flaky. We get that life happens and sometimes things have to be cancelled/rearranged. Why do some friends expect you to act like you're in a relationship? I don't understand. We text and call and are really close and see each other when we both get a minute. I cannot deal with high pressure friendships! Work/kids/family/illness all happens and if your friends don't understand are they really friends?

SpookyPotato · 11/01/2017 11:29

I don't think you sound flakey at all, you give plenty of notice and you're very busy... it's not just a case of "don't feel like it" at the last minute. She sounds a bit full on, I would stick with the understanding friends which it sounds like the others are.

Headofthehive55 · 11/01/2017 11:35

It's not about your friend "understanding" more that other people will naturally move into that friendship group and friends move on. You don't remember the friend that didn't turn up, but remember what a nice time you had with the new friend so invite her to the next meet up instead perhaps of the flakey one.

problembottom · 11/01/2017 11:35

I had a situation a bit like this where I went flaky on a friend (we used to live together but had both moved to different cities). I was full on with a new job and making friends in my new area. I failed to reply to a few emails and texts without realising. She was upset and deleted me off Facebook and I didn't notice that either!

In the end she sent me a long essay about how upset she was. We met up for a drink, I apologised for being flaky but said she'd been OTT and she apologised for being overly intense. Sadly she still falls out with most of her friends as she's a drama queen but since we made up we've been fine and both flake occasionally without issue.

I think you're right to put your pal straight for the future, hopefully she'll listen like mine did. And as it does sound like you've been flakey of late so I think it would be nice if you could arrange something next. And turn up obviously!

DJBaggySmalls · 11/01/2017 11:36

'...but that was no excuse for how I'd been treating her''

Its not just that she doesn't get how demanding it is to juggle a job and kids, its that she's taken it personally. Thats the bit that would worry me.

busyboysmum · 11/01/2017 11:47

Sounds like you have sorted things out well done.

If you value her friendship )and she clearly values yours or she wouldn't have bothered with the essay) then sometimes it is worth over apologising even if you feel not completely in the wrong.

BarbarianMum · 11/01/2017 11:47

^^This. And you do sound as though you think she should put a lot of effort into understanding your situation without returning the favour.

DailyFail1 · 11/01/2017 11:57

YABU. If I had a friend that kept backing out on me, I'd cut her out of my life. It's clear how much your friend still cares because of the message. I would use it as a wake up call and get yourself more organised.

Potnoodlewilld0 · 11/01/2017 12:01

carrados my best friend is very similar to you.

Her work life is hectic - it is but she won't change it.
Her home life is hectic - it is but she won't change it.
She has lots of small children.

But it is irritating because everyone else's life is the same.

We're to the point where she expects me to 'remind her' nearer the time for events like I'm her P.A

You just need to get your shit together or not be arsed if some one does point stuff out. It's very tiring though

TheSparrowhawk · 11/01/2017 12:02

Am I right that your husband stopped you going to one of the events because he suddenly had a hissy fit about having to look after his children?

JacquesHammer · 11/01/2017 12:06

The dropping out of things wouldn't bother me but latesness is beyond rude in my book.

Wolfiefan · 11/01/2017 12:13

Her message does sound rather over the top but being a flake means being unreliable and thoughtless. I hate those qualities.
I had a friend who was always cancelling. Her issues were always more important. We are no longer friends.
We all have to cancel at time. (Illness etc). But to cancel twice in such a short time and then to be so horridly late suggests you don't mind putting your friends out and don't value their time. I wouldn't bother making plans with you again.

wifework · 11/01/2017 12:14

I'm a flaky friend. I do try not to be, but sometimes I've just organised things badly or I'm not mentally up to whatever I've said I'll do. I do make sure no one loses out financially though.

If people can't hack having a flaky friend then they just can't be friends with me (or me them). It's quite sad but there you are. If someone wrote me a message like that I'd either write a message back saying 'I'm struggling. Stick it out or don't. I love you but I can't take being told off' OR just 'OK, sorry,' and then quietly phase her out myself.

On the other hand I'm NEVER late, and waiting around for people who are always late often gets on my nerves... until I remember my own flakiness and then I just put up with it because we're all different eh.

ShotsFired · 11/01/2017 12:17

I had a friend who went though a very flaky patch in life.

I was let down/cancelled on many times and it wasn't just that she did that, it was the consequence: I'd have booked time off, not made other plans, kept the time free etc.

So while she cancelled and went off to do whatever it was she did instead, I was just left hanging round like a spare part with nothing else to do. Which was more frustrating than the actual cancellation I think.

MommaGee · 11/01/2017 12:25

Ntft. She's being really harsh. I have a group of friends, sometimes one of them cancels at short notice cos of poor planning, sometimes she's late. That's who she is and we accept her.
OK If I was meeting her alone I'd take a book and if I was paying out for tickets I'd ask for money up front but I wouldn't give her a list of acceptable behaviors to be my friend

WeAllHaveWings · 11/01/2017 12:25

Am I the only one thinking 300 words is not a particularly long email message? OP's last post was 186 words, so less than twice the size of that.

I phase out flakey friends. Being late is rude, cancelling ticketed events when there are only 2-3 people going is rude. Sorry OP but you do come across as self centred. If I was knackered I would still make an effort to go and catch up on some rest another time.

ZanyMobster · 11/01/2017 12:28

Massive overreaction on her part however I would not really bother making plans with someone so flaky if I was going to get bothered by it. Flaky people make me feel that they believe their time/busyness is so much more important than everyone else's which has frustrates me.

So no YANBU to think she is overreacting but YABU too as you should have spoken to her properly before if you felt things were on top of you etc rather than it just appearing that you are a let down. Sounds as if you are sorting it now so SWBU to not be understanding now.

ZanyMobster · 11/01/2017 12:31

I do agree with others about how rude it is to be late etc also. My friendship group all have kids, busy jobs, hobbies but there is 1 person who is busier and whose time is more important than everyone else's. We still invite her to low key stuff but not the big events. 3 strikes and you're out on big things . . .

bumblingbovine49 · 11/01/2017 12:36
coffeetasteslikeshit · 11/01/2017 12:38

I'm glad you seem to have sorted it out already. Just wanted to say that I read your OP in confusion, as it didn't sound very flaky to me!

diddl · 11/01/2017 12:40

"I can see what you mean about being the organiser and chasing things - that's something I v selfishly didn't think about."

I wondered if it was more to do with that.

Obviously people can't always say yes/no immediately, but it would have been considerate to have got back to her with an answer before she had to ask you again.

Maybe if others are doing it as well she's feeling taken for granted or even disliked?

That people only say yes to her at the last minute as nothing better has been offered. Or cancel as something has!