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To think that men can never become pregnant or carry a pregnancy?

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Manumission · 09/01/2017 07:30

And that this must be yet another very confusing week in which to be seven years old or thereabouts?

Nearly every week is an irritating week in which to be a clear thinker of any age but I've been really pondering this morning what it felt like to figure the world out as a child. I'm glad I'm not one ATM and that I don't have smallish ones.

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Bluebolt · 09/01/2017 08:02

My concern is if a man is pregnant a man will have full access to maternity rights and if one man is allowed then surely it would be discriminatory if all men do not have access. The womb and its capacity in this story seems an irrevelence.

user1477282676 · 09/01/2017 08:02

Miro I think that's a very interesting way of looking at it all.

I also think this stuff is the start of the breakdown of the bollocks we've belived for so long re. pink and the rest of that shit.

Oliversmumsarmy · 09/01/2017 08:02

Oliversmummy the beauty of it is that it makes no difference to you how this man was feeling or what he believed about any of this

Well I would argue it does.

If she is having surgery/hormones on the NHS that we all pay for then it is everyone's businesses.
If the urge to have sex with a physical man is there then suely she isn't trans.

I am so confused

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Manumission · 09/01/2017 08:05

Andrew I do think what's in the red tops does creep into the playground, sadly.

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RedStripeIassie · 09/01/2017 08:06

miro Person with womb gets pregnant" - not news Grin

That's it really isn't it? Not exactly groundbreaking.

user1471503992 · 09/01/2017 08:08

OliversMumsArmy if this person is capable of having a child then it's unlikely they've had hormones or surgery, surely? taking testosterone eventually stops your periods, and I understand you have to have been on testosterone for at least two years before you can be referred for surgery on the NHS.

As for wanting to have sex with a man - you can be a gay trans man (or bi), trans is about gender not sexuality.

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Manumission · 09/01/2017 08:11

I think I read they've had hormone treatment and will have surgery following the birth.

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itsmine · 09/01/2017 08:15

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harderandharder2breathe · 09/01/2017 08:18

If you let your 7 year old read The Sun they are going to have more problems than trans people

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Manumission · 09/01/2017 08:24

Wouldn't it be lovely if nonsense like this COULD be confined to the pages of the Sun where it belongs? Smile

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RacoonBandit · 09/01/2017 08:27

I think Manu was being a bit flippant with the whole Sun headline & 7 year olds tbh Smile
However the whole boys can become girls and girls can become boys is thrust upon children through various TVs shows marketed at children. That for me is the issue. It's a lie and I think it will serve children better to be honest with them and teach them it's ok to dress and live how they choose but changing sex is impossible.

Teach them to be comfortable with who they are do not teach them that drugs and drastic body changing surgery is the answer.

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Manumission · 09/01/2017 08:30

However the whole boys can become girls and girls can become boys is thrust upon children through various TVs shows marketed at children.

I think there's a CBBC programme featuring a trans child isn't there?

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Oliversmumsarmy · 09/01/2017 08:30

As for wanting to have sex with a man - you can be a gay trans man (or bi), trans is about gender not sexuality.

But not to be too specific this early in the morning but man on man whether gay or bi wouldn't result in pregnancy. Wouldn't they be having sex like 2 men.

Given pregnancy is a female thing and should be the last thing on your mind to anyone who identified as a male is this person actually trans.

TheThingsWeAdmitOnMN · 09/01/2017 08:30

I'm beyond confused at the way the whole 'trans' thing is now being handled as well.

I am aware that we have MNers who are trans & MNers who have children who are trans & I don't want to hurt them, but it really can't be ignored that so few are impacting so many.

I'm sure that we can, as a society, help people who are trans, without it needing to be 'a thing'.

Of course the papers will sensationalise anything they can get their hands on, they're all wankbadgers like that.

I feel incredibly sorry for people who genuinely feel they've been born into the wrong body. It must be awful.

However, like others, I don't understand a woman, who feels she has been born into the wrong body, choosing to live as a man, then carrying a baby. What is it about 'living as a man' that is different than living as a woman if you're going to have sex with a man and have a baby? Frankly, for me, it's a mind fuck. It can't be fun to be them.

I feel anger towards someone attention seeking, allowing 'Man is pregnant' stories to be written about them. A MAN is not pregnant. A confused woman is pregnant.

Our children should be being raised to understand that there are a few people who feel they have been born into the wrong body, so take action to fix that and it's perfectly fine. They should not be raised to think it's the answer to confusing puberty/teenage feelings and common.

I don't want to go back to a time where it's a taboo subject, but likewise I don't want to live in a society where we are having to think up New tens for man & woman because a small percentage of the population are trans. It's madness. Acceptance is one thing, rewriting all we know is another. A man cannot get pregnant.

TheThingsWeAdmitOnMN · 09/01/2017 08:33

Racoon *
However the whole boys can become girls and girls can become boys is thrust upon children through various TVs shows marketed at children. That for me is the issue. It's a lie and I think it will serve children better to be honest with them and teach them it's ok to dress and live how they choose but changing sex is impossible.*

Teach them to be comfortable with who they are do not teach them that drugs and drastic body changing surgery is the answer

^^THAT.

Strongmummy · 09/01/2017 08:33

Yet another transphobic thread. And to be 100% clear, feminism isn't defined by the bigotry displayed on the mumsnet feminism board. Many feminists believe transsexuals are women and sex work doesn't have to be exploitative. Ffs

RacoonBandit · 09/01/2017 08:35

Yes it was called Just a girl.

I have no issue with TV shows that show the different ways people live their lives it is the factual inaccuracies and the pipe dreams they offer that is worryingly dangerous.

I have discussed trans with my children and my DD who is 10 ( youngest) understands people can dress and be who they choose but changing sex is not possible. Why is that such a bad thing to teach children?

Oliversmumsarmy · 09/01/2017 08:37

So if you don't understand something and ask a question how is that transphobic.

RacoonBandit · 09/01/2017 08:37

Strong

There is nothing transphobic about this thread. Nobody is directing hate or prejudice towards trans people. It is merely a thread about fact. Men cannot become pregnant. Are you saying they can?

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Manumission · 09/01/2017 08:38

Yet another transphobic thread.

Why is it anything-phobic to say that men can't be pregnant strong?

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TheThingsWeAdmitOnMN · 09/01/2017 08:47

StrongMummy

Really?

Are we supposed to embrace man no longer actually meaning man? Woman no longer actually meaning woman? Men being able to say they are pregnant?

I have no problem with adults living how they choose - I have every problem with this current 'trend' & it being treat like you can choose your gender to suit your mood.

RacoonBandit · 09/01/2017 08:48

Why is it any thread discussing trans is suddenly labelled as transphobic Confused

This is a current media story or are we not allowed to discuss things in the news?

Anyone remember that poor man who had surgery to make himself look like a cat because he felt like one and wanted to be one. He featured in many documentaries and the professionals all labelled him crazy as no matter what he did to himself he would never be a cat.
Why is that ok, why is it acceptable that this man can be told "nope sorry you will never be a cat" but yet we seem to be telling people "oh yes have surgery, wear clothes that are gender typical to the opposite sex and there you have it you have changed sex".

RebootYourEngine · 09/01/2017 08:50

Can people not ask questions these days without being classed as being some sort of phobic?

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Manumission · 09/01/2017 08:55

I missed the cat man thing entirely. Oh my word.

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