To think that men can never become pregnant or carry a pregnancy?

[Manumission]

And that this must be yet another very confusing week in which to be seven years old or thereabouts?

Nearly every week is an irritating week in which to be a clear thinker of any age but I've been really pondering this morning what it felt like to figure the world out as a child. I'm glad I'm not one ATM and that I don't have smallish ones.

[Manumission]

I'm not sure what you mean Fail. I linked to an Evening Standard story. It's your username that reference the Daily Mail.

[bearfishdoodle]

Fail1, Iran 'allows' people to choose their gender, in that homosexuality is illegal and so people are transed into the gender that fits their innate sexual orientation instead. Progressive it ain't.

[bearfishdoodle]

I'm not sure why anyone's sex would need 'policing' tbh. For the purpose of form filling, I could easily tick 'white British' when I am very obviously not. Wouldn't make it true.
Of course when someone gets a GRC their former medical notes are sealed which makes any accurate data collection impossible on essentials like medical conditions and crime.

[NovemberInDailyFailLand]

Him being trans and pregnant isn't really news after Thomas Beatie, and, more constructively, the Canadian Trevor Macdonald.

My only concerns, after reading the various 'articles' this tabloid has churned out on him, are that he is not in the right position to be having a baby which is nothing to do with being trans and everything to do with the fact he is unemployed, single, very young, and doesn't have the good judgement not to use a random sperm donor found on Facebook.

[DailyFail1]

bearfishdoodle and an Indian lady died of complications because an Irish hospital wouldn't give her an abortion for an already dying baby - an abortion she would have received in India. Your point is?

[ArcheryAnnie]

If you disagree with our right to choose our gender then the answer is simple - move to a country that doesn't allow it (and probably a good many other things too).

DailyFail, is that what you'd have said to the suffragettes - move to another country if you don't like women being silenced and oppressed? Do you understand how politics works?

Perhaps you should move to Iran, where transing gay people is all the rage.

[DailyFail1]

ArcheryAnnie - just listen to yourself. how on earth can you justify comparing trans discrimination to the suffragette movement? This whole thread has become a hotpot of ill informed bigoted, blatantly transphobic, crap.

[Strongmummy]

Denying that people are born into the wrong body and deserve the right to live how they want is transphobic. You may not be out burning crosses or name calling, but you are complicit in denying a whole section of society happiness. For what purpose? You do know a trans person is FAR more likely to be attacked than be the attacker? You do know the community has a massive suicide rate? Does that make you feel good as a woman? It personally makes me feel sick. How are trans people are eroding the rights of women?!?! Where's the evidence?

[Prawnofthepatriarchy]

Archery isn't promoting trans discrimination, Daily. Expecting that women give up their rights and spaces to advantage gnc males is discriminating against women, and that is what Archery is talking about.

Women have every right to argue about these issues and to campaign against trans activists whose agenda is homophobic and misogynistic.

[Strongmummy]

Someone on here recently bemoaned the fact that more women didn't identify as feminist. It's bullshit like this from mainstream feminists that makes me also not want to associate with feminism. It's outdated, bigoted and laughable

[SpeakNoWords]

Can you explain how posters here are (or want to) denying people the right to live how they want?

According to your point of view, it is not allowed to discuss in any way whether it is possible to be "born in the wrong body"? Despite the fact that there is no scientific consensus on this at all?

[RacoonBandit]

I think this thread is about the falsehood of the headline not about the person choosing to live their life as a man . That said I dont get how you can choose to live like a man but carry a child.

[Daisyfrumps]

That said I dont get how you can choose to live like a man but carry a child

Can you use your imagination?! I think it's wonderful that we are all so differently varied and live in a country where this can be in the paper and not result in a mass lynching.

[HubrisComicGhoul]

I do get why you would want to live like a man and still want to have a baby. Life as a white man is vastly superior to most other lives on the planet. In my view this is a sensible option. Although opting out of female oppression is the easy way out.

However I do not accept that anyone claiming such bad body dysphoria that they would rather kill themselves than continue to have female primary and secondary sex characteristics would be mentally stable enough to survive pregnancy where you are constantly reminded of those characteristics.

The thing is I am mostly supportive of trans people in general, but there are a small number of nutters (Google cotton ceiling if you don't believe me) that are poisoning the whole community.

[ArcheryAnnie]

DailyFail, where is the discrimination against trans people here?

And I note you don't seem to notice, never mind care, about discrimination against women. I see women being attacked, slandered, no-platformed, threatened with rape and death, doxxed, their employers contacted with a view to getting them sacked, all the time, for daring to acknowledge biological and social facts. Trans activists are currently trying to close down a volunteer-run working-class library. Women are being silenced and oppressed by trans activism, whether you acknowledge it or not.

[RacoonBandit]

Daisy what does it have to do with immagination?
If you choose to change parts of your body to rid yourself of female parts, change your name to a more masculine name, dress in a way that is sterotypical of being a man, choose to be reffered to as he/him and call yourself a man then choosing to get pregnant kind of pisses all over it dont you think?

[Twogoats]

I feel bad for the baby in this case. I hope the mother/father has a sensible support network.

[Daisyfrumps]

Racoon have you read the article?

[Daisyfrumps]

That might help if you can't imagine why you would want to live like a man and still want to have a baby.

[BeyondTheStarryNight]

If NHS wards are now sorted by genderfeels (as they are), where will this person give birth? Will they automatically get a private room, so they aren't with the "women" in maternity?

[Daisyfrumps]

Also see, erm.. empathy, trying to understand each other, etc.. Or would you like me to copy and paste his own words to your questions?

[SpeakNoWords]

Tbh, I can understand the urge to have a biological child, and be in a situation where the only option would be to go through a pregnancy yourself. To be able to afford a surrogate using your own eggs would presumably be costly, and still involve dealing with things like egg collection. I can see how you could bear (or hope you could bear) the cognitive dissonance for 9 months if it's the only option.

[Daisyfrumps]

BeyondTheStarryNight - we don't routinely give birth in shared wards in the UK any more.

[BeyondTheStarryNight]

Now who's being pedantic