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To believe that Theresa May will not trigger A50 this year?

204 replies

NobodyputsBabyinaKorma · 03/01/2017 21:22

Yes, I know there is an EU referendum topic hidden away on MN but this is a genuine AIBU.

Anyone else think she won't be stupid enough to trigger Article 50 in 2017?

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MrsMattBomer · 07/01/2017 13:49

I really hope we see the end of her this year.

She's up there with Thatcher for incompetence and stupidity. We're not far off the "You can't criticise me, it's SEXIST!" card.

No Theresa, it's because you're an incompetent arsehole, not because you're a woman.

BadKnee · 07/01/2017 19:20

I haven't seen any complaints about criticising her being sexist. And all the criticisms of her are fair and square about her policies or her approach. (As well as the usual crap about what she wears - and that IS sexist)

MrsMattBomer · 07/01/2017 19:24

BadKnee

I don't see what was wrong with people criticising her wearing a £1000 pair of trousers whilst going on about austerity and JAMs. That's not sexist, it's just bloody obvious. She replied that men wouldn't get the same treatment - err yeah, they would, like when they criticised David Cameron's £5k Savile Row suits, or when they criticise Corbyn for not wearing a tie.

Sadly, TM is using the same techniques as Thatcher. Lots of women will vote for her though just because she's a woman. I won't.

BadKnee · 07/01/2017 20:11

Caprianna - the comment about FX trading on Council estates wasn't particularly helpful. A functioning society needs FX traders and bin men, bankers and nurses. Looking down on people because of the job they do, the place they live or their nationality / race reflects badly on the person doing the sneering.

Motheroffourdragons as with the UK, it depends on who you talk to about whether leaving is a possibility. There are certainly people in EU countries who are saying that they want to be next

Justchanged - sorry -I didn't mean 80% of school places are taken by immigrants - you are right - that would be ridiculous. What I meant was that in some classes, (usually at the poorer end and in the bottom sets), that is the case. It certainly was with my son who was one of only four locally born boys in his class. I was unclear though.

Unfortunately I do agree with those who say that the position of the working class is unlikely to be much better post Brexit.

BadKnee · 07/01/2017 20:14

MrsMattBomer - fair enough about the trousers. It was the general obsession about her clothes and shoes I meant really. FWIW I am not really a fan of hers and I think she will be replaced before long - one way or another.

BadKnee · 07/01/2017 20:20

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed - right about the gamble and "nothing to lose" - I do feel that was a driver in the result.

Caprianna · 07/01/2017 20:28

BadKnee, my point is that Brexit can potentially hit the City and other currently thriving sectors hard. This will impact the country as a whole. Loss of income/ revenue will mean further cuts to services. They do have more to lose on the council estates. They don't seem to see the dependencies. So I was asking what's the backup plan?
I can't help being a bit sneery when I am looking at people shooting themselves in both feet and not realising.

OhtoblazeswithElvira · 07/01/2017 20:33

skilled (hands on) engineers & technicians who are competing for jobs with migrants who are more than willing to work below the national 'agreed wage'

Isn't that illegal? What sort of recruitment procedure would allow that to happen? Surely those employers are bending a few rules. Whose fault is that then?

BadKnee · 07/01/2017 20:47

OhtoblazeswithElvira I think agreed wages are guidelines rather than legal minimums - although I could be wrong.

Often also it is done via a consultancy which pays "Consultants" who are then hired out for a "fee" - easily get round it that way.

MangoMoon · 07/01/2017 20:54

I think they're 'agreed' rather than legally enforceable, like badknee said, but not sure.

BadKnee · 07/01/2017 20:57

Caprianna point about City taken.

TalkinPeace · 07/01/2017 21:42

Once Brexit has happened and things are even more shit, who will the Working Class Tories blame then ?

BoneyBackJefferson · 07/01/2017 21:48

who will the Working Class Tories blame then?

Still blaming stereotypes for Brexit.

TalkinPeace · 07/01/2017 21:57

Most of the problems that people are annoyed about

  • job insecurity
  • housing problems
  • school places
  • NHS shortages
are directly caused in Whitehall and will get worse not better after Brexit.

Once the UK is no longer in the EU, who will be the scapegoat?

Motheroffourdragons · 07/01/2017 21:57

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DarthPlagueis · 07/01/2017 22:01

The EU will certainly be the bad guys because they won't give us everything that we want.

Any economic problems afterward will be used as an excuse for further privatisation and deragulation.

Most of those who voted to leave would prefer it the other way around

TalkinPeace · 07/01/2017 22:05

Boney
I deal with local politicians day in day out. "Working Class Tories" are a long standing group that are well identified by the Tory Party, targeted by UKIP and the waverers among them brought Blair to power.

BadKnee · 07/01/2017 22:33

Motheroffourdragons not the press as much as the people but there is by no means 100% support for the EU in many EU countries.

(Even a v quick google brings up the Figaro poll which showed 33% of those surveyed thought leaving would be a good option and several Italian news media reports which suggest 45% ++ would vote Leave if they had th chance. I don't know the sources or the size and scope of surveys so results fairly meaningless as evidence but the question is certainly being talked about in the Italian and French press.)

Motheroffourdragons · 07/01/2017 22:52

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BadKnee · 07/01/2017 23:04

No - I agree with you - the mood is much more in favour of staying in the EU than leaving - and I am not trying to suggest otherwise - but it is certainly being discussed.

Still, what will be, will be. And the original Article 50 question is still open.

DarthPlagueis · 07/01/2017 23:05

Can you imagine the Mail front page if it gets delayed?

Chickenkatsu · 08/01/2017 08:17

The Dailly Mail will love it if it's delayed, it will give them something to complain about

OhtoblazeswithElvira · 08/01/2017 14:21

Bad knee and Mangomoon so nothing to do with EU migrants, then?

TalkinPeace · 08/01/2017 15:52

UKIP voters want the "low skilled migrants" out
but do not want to take their place at the abbatoir tables

BREXIT supporters want closed borders
but the cheap food that comes with seasonal labour.

EXITers want "free trade"
while turning their back on the biggest Free Trade block in the world

KIPPERS want low taxes paid for by rock bottom zero hours wages
without the forriners willing to put up with that shit

speaking as first generation economic migrant to this country
who then took the precaution of getting a UK passport

they are talking SHIT