To believe that Theresa May will not trigger A50 this year?

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Yes, I know there is an EU referendum topic hidden away on MN but this is a genuine AIBU.

Anyone else think she won't be stupid enough to trigger Article 50 in 2017?

Good post @badknee

Also - what happens if she doesn't trigger it??? How on earth do we go on from there - neither in nor out? It is a serious question.

HoneyWithLemon YY great post

Thank you user1483046088 and Twogoats - I feel quite strongly about it.

badknee there is an argument that actually we can leave and we don't need to trigger it and that we should not trigger it, because triggering it puts EU at the advantage, not sure how I personally feel about it - but its an idea

Yes Fabulous post on page 2 Badknee, I agree with every single word. And even though I already know all that you have said - reading it - put in that way, is heart breaking.

With the EU I was the first generation in my family to grow up without knowing a world war.
I am actually really afraid for my children.
All this mindless nationalistic stupidity. 'Take Back Control' my arse.

Undercutting maybe, but there was a lot of overcharging going on and in my experience yes Eastern European workers seem more pleasant and cultured and speak better English. I know who I prefer.

WillBeatJanuaryBlues - now that is interesting. I might see what I can learn

The real issue of what happens next is what we should be spending our energies on. We need to look at how we can secure the best deal for the UK but also for the other countries in the EU.

It isn't a question of being anti - anyone, (I work in a very international environment) and it is in no-one's interests for the Union to implode, but as previously mentioned Greece, Italy, even Spain and certainly Hungary are all uncertain.

To answer the question - the referendum was advisory but as the act was so badly drafted (deliberately?) May really has no choice.

You may have noticed that there wasn't a huge rush to be prime minister. It is a no win situation.

As is leaving or remaining.

And there have been continuous wars since the end of ww2. Just not in our cosy country - or not as long as you weren't in northern Ireland.

Its more to do with the fact the EU was wiped out in every way from all encompassing war draining every country of money, men and resources. Than the EU itself stopping war. Ironic that the EU itself is now fueling nationalism and the right wing and indeed the left wing like never before.
Many would also argue after Hitler and indeed communism its madness to try and again force all these countries so closely together

The real issue of what happens next is what we should be spending our energies on. We need to look at how we can secure the best deal for the UK but also for the other countries in the EU

Yes 100% and I feel we are and will move forward and people agaisnt will get left behind and make and offer no positive contribution.

and in my experience yes Eastern European workers seem more pleasant and cultured and speak better English. I know who I prefer

wow.

Caprianna - "overcharging" = what it cost to live, to pay UK rents, to be properly insured, to pay UK vehicle costs etc etc. It was an unfair playing field - that was the point.

But the rich have always wanted cheap labour. Can you blame people for wanting to fight for their jobs?

As for the rest of what you said - if anyone said that about another race it would be considered racist.

And that's it when push comes to shove the real distain comes out about the working class

I remeber the day after the vot being told I was a uneducated twant and that only people who have been to universities should be able to vote

And that because I am working class and don't have any formal education my view is of no matter

That's what the middle classes really think about us there sneer about us wearing pjs to shop sneer at us while they have the choice to move there children out of sink schools and don't rely on council housing so don't care that eu migrants make the often 10+ waiting list even longer can buy private health care when there kids are sick but becaus the migrants come and live at the bottom on my estate and not in the burbs I should just suck it up and if I don't can get called a rasict

Deadsouls Badknee's explanation was far better and agree with all of of their post

I voted remain it's was more better the devil you know and fear of the economic fallout I desperately want the EU to change but the way it's changing isn't what I was hoping for as the right wing that is gaining popularity in Central Europe is very very worrying

i am not surprised we as a country voted to leave people were given the chance for a real change not a change in parties that both sides have forgotten about

@ Bad Knee

uk.businessinsider.com/britain-does-not-need-to-trigger-article-50-to-leave-the-eu-2016-11

Ingrid Detter de Frankopan is a professor of international law and holds three doctorates, one specifically on European law. She is the author of The Suicide of Europe

Caprianna Do tell, who are the those on the other side of that spectrum whom aren't so pleasant and cultured?

WillBeatJanuaryBlues - right about reasons for fewer wars in the major EU countris since 1945.

And specialsubject - absolutely right about continuous wars since 1945.

People forget Yugoslavia - a "country" made from other countries forced together the breakup of which was bloody and involved racism and attempted genocide. And yet several of these countries are now part of the EU.

They forget Cyprus and N Ireland and the Basques .. And the Eastern Bloc countries... They seem to think that after the Brits and the French beat the Germans and the Italians in 1945 that it has all been peace and prosperity since.

well why would you wear pj's to the shops. Come on now

WillBeatJanuaryBlues - thank you - will read.

| EnthusiasmIsDisturbed Fri 06-Jan-17 20:05:14
Deadsouls Badknee's explanation was far better and agree with all of of their post

I voted remain it's was more better the devil you know and fear of the economic fallout I desperately want the EU to change but the way it's changing isn't what I was hoping for as the right wing that is gaining popularity in Central Europe is very very worrying

i am not surprised we as a country voted to leave people were given the chance for a real change not a change in parties that both sides have forgotten about

the eu unwillingness to change has seen a frightening rise in the far right the left has told us all "problem what problem" the right have told us "we have a problem but we offer no solution so the people are left with the far right who acknowledge the issue and offer a solution

I will never forgive those who laid the fertile ground for the far right

YY

And the Eastern Bloc countries... They seem to think that after the Brits and the French beat the Germans and the Italians in 1945 that it has all been peace and prosperity since

Another up-vote for badknee's post on page 2.

A drop in house prices would be the advantage of the working poor, because even if it didn't put property ownership into their reach, it might bring down rents. Might. Plenty of other factors in play.