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To want dss out

203 replies

Phalenopsisgirl · 03/01/2017 09:11

Bit of a long one sorry, will try to be brief.
Xmas eve dss 23 and his gf decided to 'bake' in the kitchen, this was after a late night blitz style cleaning fest from me the day before so I was less than amused but let it go on the understanding it would get cleaned up. Every excuse was given throughout the afternoon and evening, with various reasons why it would be done 'later'. Ultimately it wasn't cleaned up and I ended up doing on xmas morning. Dh raised the point with him and dss launched into us both complete with 'fuck offs' and a big argument erupted regards to the lack of respect being shown (this has been an ongoing problem, dh and I both at the end of our teather). Dss took himself off for a few days and in the interim sent a torrent of abuse via text which was more awful than the original outburst. Dh didn't want dss back in the house but I maintained that there must be something we have done terribly wrong if this is how dss behaves/feels/thinks is ok. Ultimately dss was allowed back home on the agreement he would keep to the rule of 'our house our rules' but has failed to apologise and has demanded we keep out of his face so as to avoid confrontation. Now he is back he is saying he shouldn't have to take being told to do things like clean his room because he is an adult, the atmosphere in the home is awful. I'm also worried younger dc will be watching and learning from his example. I guess this is more a wwyd as I'm really completely worn down by the whole thing I can't even think straight.

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Mummyoflittledragon · 03/01/2017 12:56

Self contained flat. Sorry that made me laugh. He's so far off the mark. I'm envisaging a whole bunch of infuriated mumsnetters marching to your house a la Benny Hill "The worm that turned".

Please stop engaging and chuck him out. You said upthread you made a mistake trying to get the children to like you. For his own sake and yours, this mentality has to stop!

diddl · 03/01/2017 13:05

Oh well now, if he can finance an extension, he can finance a move out!

And if it's so awful living with you-why doesn't he want to leave?

Soubriquet · 03/01/2017 13:08

He really does have his head up in la la land doesn't he

Phalenopsisgirl · 03/01/2017 13:15

*Oh well now, if he can finance an extension, he can finance a move out!

And if it's so awful living with you-why doesn't he want to leave?*

I think he was expecting dh to finance it

I asked him exactly that question after he called me a 'discusting excuse for a mother' and dh and I an 'embarrassment' .....I think we all know why he wants to stay, because it's a soft bloody option.

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redexpat · 03/01/2017 13:25

He's abusing you all! You all avoid confrontation with him. He has got you exactly where he wants you - basing your behaviour on his needs and wants. Give him notice. 4 weeks is more than enough. He doesnt get to insult you like that in your own home. If I was feeling generous I might give him the money for a deposit. That's a big if. Why has your DH allowed him to treat you like this?

Soubriquet · 03/01/2017 13:26

Course he wanted you to finance it

I mean doing it himself would require him to get a job wouldn't it

Enough is enough Op

Kick him out! Not in 6 months. Not in 30 days. Not give him a week to calm down

He isn't going to calm down

And if my dh wouldn't back me up about this, I would be reconsidering my relationship where he sees it ok his adult son to abuse his wife

Ethylred · 03/01/2017 13:28

Two suggestions: get him out of the house, now, and suggest that he consult his doctor about what could be mental illness.

Potnoodlewilld0 · 03/01/2017 13:33

Start looking for a flat and pay the deposit

Migrant2 · 03/01/2017 13:40

If you love him, kick him out. One week's notice is plenty.

Mummyoflittledragon · 03/01/2017 13:40

I asked him exactly that question after he called me a 'discussing excuse for a mother' and dh and I and 'embarrassment' .....I think we all know why he wants to stay, because it's a soft bloody option.

So why are you still engaging with him when he's talking to you like this?

Step away from the drama. Start acting. Stop reacting.

coconutpie · 03/01/2017 13:46

So he's giving you even more abuse? I wouldn't even give him a month. One week and that's it - out the door. OP, put your big girl pants on now and stop putting up with this shit. Just get it done.

AltogetherAndrews · 03/01/2017 13:47

I chucked dss out a year ago, when he was 20. His behaviour was nowhere near as bad as this, but the constant rows over him not pulling his weight, and the fact that he had failed to pay his digs for six months were enough for him to go. I worried like hell about him, he has always been really young for his age, and I was convinced he would get eaten alive I the real world, but it has been ok. I gave him £500 for a flat deposit, but he spent that on a new phone and sofa surfed for a while. I just had to let him get on with it. He has his own flat now, and we all get on much better. He phones for advice when he gets into difficulty, but has really matured. It was best for us all in the long run, but the guilt I felt was enormous at the time.

You just need to get it done. Set a date, give him a set amount of money to start him off, and then back off. He will no doubt screw things up a few times and make some bad choices, but you have to let him get on with it or he will never learn how to be an adult. He will probably hate you for it, but tough. If you are lucky, a few years down the line he will realise what a shit he has been.

I think, with some male children in particular, there comes a point where they need to leave, but are scared to do it without a push. Whilst they stay in the home, they engage in a pissing contest to try and become the alpha man, by throwing their weight around. Either you give in and let them run the house, or you throw them out of the pack. Think of it like a pack of chimps or lions. The young male needs to leave for the health of the pack, and needs to set up on their own. If they were sweetness and light, there would be no motivation to get them out. Your Dss clearly sees you as the alpha, since his dad has changed for you, so you are the one whose power he needs to topple.

Get it done, the relief you will feel a few months down the line is unbelievable. It's your only option for a health family dynamic in the future.

rollonthesummer · 03/01/2017 14:13

Does he have any idea how much an extension is?! Why does he think you will put up with this? What did your DH say? I just can't understand why your DH isn't giving him a few home truths?

Did you answer the question about why he doesn't live with his mum or if he speaks this way to her? Apologies if I've missed it.

He would be out

Soubriquet · 03/01/2017 14:24

Poor little Stepson...starting to remind me of this

To want dss out
Phalenopsisgirl · 03/01/2017 14:47

Roll on the summer- His mum had enough of him years ago so he came to live with us full time, yes he also speaks to her like she is dirt. He knows everything about everything, anyone who challenges him is met with contempt. He had a job in a cafe once, they let him help in the kitchen, he prepped various basics, jacket potatoes, burgers, egg and chips, however he insisted on telling people he was a chef and went mad when I said to him that being a chef was more than that, you get the idea

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Soubriquet · 03/01/2017 15:26

Give him 5 years and I see prison if something doesn't change sharpish

maggiso · 03/01/2017 15:27

I think you DH has to tell him to leave, and give him un-negotiable notice. He could throw the comment about growing some balls back at him, but it is probably better to be firm but non confrontational and point out that he is helping his son to become independent. It will be better for him, and one day he may have that private kitchen and front door he so much wants. I think DH should also tell him that he will not put up with his wife or the children being abused, by anyone. It is important that you both act together as a united front, but also that it is your DH - that is enforcing it.
I have similar arguements with my teen- but he has autism with learning disability! My son has no choice but to live with us,( we get some respite) but your Dss is needing (from his very obvious behaviour) to break free and live as an (proper) adult.
Nearly hitting him (back) is a sign you must resolve this SAP.

rollonthesummer · 03/01/2017 15:35

He sounds horrible-I really sympathise. Please stop enabling his dreadful behaviour and give him a week's notice. He needs some experience in the real world.

SleepFreeZone · 03/01/2017 15:57

God I must be truly evil as I can think of nothing better than throwing that nasty little prick out in his ear and changing the locks. Fuck that.

BoboBunnyH0p · 03/01/2017 16:25

OP you know he needs to go, he is abusive and doesn't deserve your kindness.
Kick him out and don't look back.
Good luck.

Dadstheworld · 03/01/2017 16:34

He sounds like a text book psychopath.

schlong · 03/01/2017 16:35

You really resent your dss don't you op?

I'm going against the grain as this thread is just inciting you to chuck him out. His "baking". Why the sarcy inverted commas? Maybe he wanted to ingratiate himself and you probably just jumped on the mess. You belittled his caf job. He obv has a passion for all things culinary. His attempts at wanting his own kitchen so he doesn't blight "yours" are met with refusal.

I'd hazard you wanted shot of him so remnants of your dh's previous fam are jettisoned.

I'm sure others have picked up on this but don't dare risk the wrath of MN groupthinkers.

OurBlanche · 03/01/2017 16:47

Crikey!

So many lines that must have been read between, oh aptly named schlong so many lines!!!

wherearemymarbles · 03/01/2017 16:48

He souds like a narcissist to me- or at least on that spectrum. You wont change him, ever.

Read up on it and discuss with dh and kick him out.

Phalenopsisgirl · 03/01/2017 16:50

Not belittling but just trying to explain the type of thinking, he would do a first aid course and talk like he was a doctor. Not specifically but he has that know it all attitude, so no resentment per say. His baking was with his gf ( they don't buy xmas presents so were making very simple biscuits, think brownie guide stuff) and this was interspersed with moaning and 'god this is boring' type comments so no I'm not depriving the world of the next Paul Hollywood! The cafe job was 'crap' so he packed that in long ago

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