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To want dss out

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Phalenopsisgirl · 03/01/2017 09:11

Bit of a long one sorry, will try to be brief.
Xmas eve dss 23 and his gf decided to 'bake' in the kitchen, this was after a late night blitz style cleaning fest from me the day before so I was less than amused but let it go on the understanding it would get cleaned up. Every excuse was given throughout the afternoon and evening, with various reasons why it would be done 'later'. Ultimately it wasn't cleaned up and I ended up doing on xmas morning. Dh raised the point with him and dss launched into us both complete with 'fuck offs' and a big argument erupted regards to the lack of respect being shown (this has been an ongoing problem, dh and I both at the end of our teather). Dss took himself off for a few days and in the interim sent a torrent of abuse via text which was more awful than the original outburst. Dh didn't want dss back in the house but I maintained that there must be something we have done terribly wrong if this is how dss behaves/feels/thinks is ok. Ultimately dss was allowed back home on the agreement he would keep to the rule of 'our house our rules' but has failed to apologise and has demanded we keep out of his face so as to avoid confrontation. Now he is back he is saying he shouldn't have to take being told to do things like clean his room because he is an adult, the atmosphere in the home is awful. I'm also worried younger dc will be watching and learning from his example. I guess this is more a wwyd as I'm really completely worn down by the whole thing I can't even think straight.

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user1471545174 · 03/01/2017 10:51

Straight to own house. It all sounds pretty hopeless. Why does he need a house? Does he have a job?

JumpingJellybeanz · 03/01/2017 10:55

I don't think you should be sorting out accommodation for him. He's adult. Stop pandering to him and let him sort his own mess out.

My DD is 23 and autistic and she's managed to sort out her own place and move out.

Your DH needs to tell him in no uncertain terms that he needs to apologise for his behaviour, tidy up his midden, buck his ideas up and start showing some respect. He either does this by the end of the week otherwise he's out on his ear.

Phalenopsisgirl · 03/01/2017 10:56

He is very cunning, when we sat down to talk about how disrespectful he had been he managed to turn the criticism round onto us, I got berated over everything from my beliefs re animal welfare i.e. Only eating free range meat and eggs to my 'materialistic' Facebook posts i.e. A picture of the lanterns with candles in that I got for my birthday. By the end I just felt totally fragile and exhausted, so didn't have the energy to stand up to being told he meant all the awful things he texted about me and that he hates me.......god the more I see this in black and white the more utterly spineless I feel.

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madgingermunchkin · 03/01/2017 10:57

Wtf are you looking at help to buy?

It's just going to teach him that no matter what, no matter how vile he is, dad will always capitulate.

Give him until the end of Feb, tell him you'll give him the deposit and the first months rent and then he's on his own.

That's what I got at 17, and I wasn't even vile. I just had a step mother who just didn't want me under her roof.

Stop making excuses for him, or trying to make his life easier. He needs to learn to live in the real world, whether he likes it or not.

rollonthesummer · 03/01/2017 10:57

Presumably he doesn't speak to his girlfriends' parents like this?! What about his mum?

He's right-your DH does need to grow some balls and man up, but he needs to 'deal with' him not you!

NancyJoan · 03/01/2017 10:58

He doesn't want to flat/house share

Well, that's nice.

If he got a full-time job, maybe he could afford a flat of his own. I doubt it, tbh, depending on where you live.

rollonthesummer · 03/01/2017 11:00

You say he gets cross if you suggest he works full time. What is he currently working?

coconutpie · 03/01/2017 11:01

He got in your face and told you to STFU? He needs to go. He's 23 FFS! You and DH both need to grow a pair. Tell him he can stay til the end of the month and then he's out. He has plenty of time then to get a new place sorted. You're considering letting him stay 6 months though? No wonder he behaves so badly - you all let him walk all over you! He is an adult man, it's time he needs to grow a pair of balls himself and live in the real world.

And you've been setting aside his £50 that he "contributes"? You're crazy. Do not give it back to him.

Phalenopsisgirl · 03/01/2017 11:01

One of the big things he is holding against me is I swung a slap at him when he shouted in my face, ( I didn't make contact) I know this wasn't right but I was just so incensed and hurt at his tirade of abuse, I was already in floods of tears by this time and just lost it, dh realised what was going to happen and held me off. Now he is using this as proof

I'm the one who has wronged him

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BastardGoDarkly · 03/01/2017 11:02

Two words... Fuck that.

He put his hand in your face and told you to shut the fuck up?! Told your dh to put you in your place?!

Kick him out, today, give him a months notice.

This won't change, he's not going to suddenly be a nice man, he's a twat.

Save yourself, and your marriage, and probably do him a massive favour at the same time.

JumpingJellybeanz · 03/01/2017 11:02

You need to stop having discussions with him about it. He doesn't have any respect for you so he's not going to have a reasonable, adult conversation with you. He needs to be told, this is the situation and this is what's going to happen, end of. If he tries to engage you, shut him down. Tell him you're not interested, you've told him how it is, end of. Then walk away. DO NOT ENGAGE.

user1471545174 · 03/01/2017 11:03

Oh OP, please let me know what he had to say about your lanterns and your kind approach to animals. What a dreadful person you must be, all those cheerful hens and candles!

WTAF, this has to be a joke. Your DH needs to get him out and stop paying for him. He'll have a little more understanding about "materialism" when he has to pay for his own stuff.

Phalenopsisgirl · 03/01/2017 11:03

He knows just how to bait me

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Finola1step · 03/01/2017 11:07

The more I read, the more I see the madness of the situation.

He needs to leave within the month.

Mummyoflittledragon · 03/01/2017 11:07

He sounds very manipulative. And nasty. I also imagine he's being awful to his gf. But she's an adult so that's not your responsibility either.

Why was he even allowed to criticise you? This should have been shut down by your dh immediately. "We are not talking about my behaviour. We are talking about yours. If you don't wish to discuss your behaviour, you will have to pack your bags and leave".

I'm sure your mum meant well. And I can't imagine this is what she meant either. I think you and your dh missed the "soft but firm" approach. Personally I think you have a dh problem as well.

And why when part of the condition of him being allowed to return was this not followed through? Is this the pattern you and your dh set up for the children?

There's a lot of misplaced guilt going around perhaps. The only guilt, which should be addressed though is that by trying to do your best, you've got an entitled bully in your home.

I wouldn't throw money at the problem. This won't help I'd tell him to leave today, on his next day off latest. What does him mum say?

Phalenopsisgirl · 03/01/2017 11:07

Free range eggs are pointless as all hens are treated badly so no point in buying free range, I'm just wrong. He just buys the caged eggs because this is less 'hypocritical' .......then went on about us all wearing clothes that are made by children in slavery and I'm worried about a chicken... he also buy fast fashion

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mummydawn07 · 03/01/2017 11:08

tell him he has to get out, I would.. he is 23 for crying out loud!! I was in my own house with 2 kids and dp when I was 23, he will soon get the kick up the backside he needs when he has to look after himself and not have you and you dh to lean on. he is treating you both appallingly but it's partly because you haven't come down hard enough on him.. pack his bags for him and tell him he is not welcome in your home anymore and that you will not stand for or accept the abuse and awful behaviour from him.

Beebeeeight · 03/01/2017 11:08

This is donestic abuse albeit fairly low level.

Your dp needs to take the lead and make the decision to kick him out. If it comes from you you will get the wicked step mum label.

Definitely stop doing any housework for him.

VforVienetta · 03/01/2017 11:09

Ugh, you poor thing, you're really getting trampled by him.

A house share is the only reasonable solution, it should be cheap enough for him to afford.
If your DH still feels he needs a handout perhaps he can give him 50% of the deposit.

Given that your DSS can't speak reasonably to either of you, perhaps it's time to give him written notice, and refuse to discuss it further until he accepts his move out date.
A month/6 weeks should be fine. If he needs to find extra hours or another job to afford flat-share rent & bills perhaps you could give him a little more time to make sure he can make a go of it.

EweAreHere · 03/01/2017 11:10

Honey, he has to go!

This is YOUR home. This is your children's home. And he is a 23 year old, not a child, who is making everyone's lives a misery. He has to go.

And don't offer any assistance for anything more expensive than a flat share. Let him learn what it's like out there in the real world where you can't have everything your own way unless you have something to back it upn(responsible lifestyle, decent income, maturity, etc). And he doesn't. He'll learn fast.

Give him 30 days to get out.

Soubriquet · 03/01/2017 11:11

In a few years, that poor girlfriend of his is going to posting on here feeling trapped and down trodden.

He is that type of man who seems to believe women are below him

Ohdearducks · 03/01/2017 11:13

You've got to stop pandering to this abusive little shit!
No deadlines, no more soft touch approach, kick him out today.
Stop looking at him as Dear step son and see him for what he is a fucking gaslighting abusive little bastard.Angry

Phalenopsisgirl · 03/01/2017 11:13

His mum knows the problems all too well. Dh is lovely and loving but is a people pleaser, we both want the kids to like us, big mistake. The cleaning thing not being done was very significant for me as it just follows the same old pattern of disrespect and getting away with it. Dh says give him a week to calm down as he is still raging at anyone who speaks to him. 'He had to sleep on a sofa, AT CHRISTMAS!!!!' How dare we!

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MuseumOfCurry · 03/01/2017 11:13

Oh my god. Kick him out. It might be a wakeup call for the girlfriend.

YoHoHoandabottleofTequila · 03/01/2017 11:14

Both of you are enabling this because it's the easy option. He is a 23 year old man and is being treated and behaving like a child.

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