To wish some parents would show a bit more consideration to others

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On a train with a splitting headache after work. There's a family nearby and the child is watching a cartoon on an ipad. Not an issue as such but the ipad is at full volume and no headphones are being used. I know that it must be nice for the kid to be occupied for are while but it's a full train of other people. Surely it would be considerate to use headphones/keep the volume low?

I can't work out whether some people can't read or just like to be goady.

honking the absolute same could be said about you.

strokes NotYoda

The is nowhere on this thread that I have said it is ok to play devices at loud volume. I have not told anyone who has said that it is wrong to have devices at loud volume, that they are wrong.
I have had a discussion with a few other posters about noise and reasonable adjustment which remained civil.
I have accused no one on this thread of being disablist.

SDTG thank you for that piece of sheer common sense; frankly it was like a breath of fresh air

"I never minded mine running around the doctors surgery."

I bet some of the other patients bloody minded, Megainstant!! People are generally at the surgery because they are ill - why should,theynhave to cope with small children running round while they are waiting.

Thankyou Richard

SDTG be aware that some noisy toddlers who don't accept "no" may indeed have some form of special need not yet identified. It's not always about lazy parenting.

Oh ffs. No one is ever allowed to be annoyed about anything annoying EVER because of the chance a diagnosed or unidentified special need may be at play. Those posters derailing every discussion possible with disablism cries are actually weakening their own cause through sheer petty nonsense in my opinion.

Spot on Free This nonsense is laughable. I'm thinking of any situation in real life where this comes in to play.
Thankfully never in the real world I inhabit

Freelasia stop being snippy...that was my FIRST post in the thread and was because at 2 my son was a nightmare....he is autistic and it took a long time to realise he was actually distressed. So yeah forgive me for thinking about children who might have some special need which is not yet diagnosed.

I know lazy parenting exists but it's not always as simple as what you see. The fact it pisses you off shows how much it needs pointing out as too many people would rather judge than consider possible reasons. It's easy to judge...and may I say rather lazy.

I'm with you plimsolls. Nobody is quiet and considerate all the time. Most people aren't arseholes but we all get stuck in our own little bubble sometimes - maybe the child in the op had sn and the mother was so busy being relieved that they weren't melting down they didn't even notice the volume. Maybe the mum has got so used to a constant dull racket that she didn't think about headphones/volume control. The op will never know because she never asked. A simple 'excuse me could you turn that down a little please?!' could have solved the whole problem. Assuming the parent is an arsehole so there's no point asking has got the op all riled up and a load of other people riled up too. Such a shame.

Alfie, there has been a whole previous 10 pages of thread before you came along, what on earth makes you think my words were solely directed at you? Just sick to death of hearing the same tired opinions rolled out again and again applied to completely irrelevant threads. I have relatives with severe and complex sn and have worked with many sn children. I'm still entitled to be pissed off when peppa pig booms through my train carriage. Maybe those posters who have derailed the thread should pick their battles, I'm sure there are actual disablist issues they could be directing their considerable posting energy towards

Giving your own experiences and sharing your knowledge is not crying disablism.

I think running around a BIT is fine. Usually the old grannies got misty eyed and said how lovely they were. And a bit of noise. No one minds a little bit of energy in the docs surgery. As long as they come and sit back down when asked. I was usually asking them to go and get a magazine or something - wasn't on my phone the whole time like parents are now.

honking perhaps you should read the thread? You commented a lot at the beginning and were ignored. Then you came back and started being goady until people responded to you. As soon as someone said something you didn't like you were on it like a dog with a bone.

I am sorry your son needs to listen to an ipad without headphones in quiet spaces. It must be awkward. But I am sure when people realise he is disabled they will be fine about it.

I sat on a plane for 6 hours in front of a child who 'didn't like headphones' and had to suffer Peppa Pig for the duration. I could hear it over everything. I politely asked if they could turn it down. They refused and said the noise she would make if she was forced to wear headphones would be worse. I told them I very much doubted it.

Actually Honking I rather think that using your own experiences to make a perfectly reasonable individual out to be judgemental and ignorant is insinuating disablism and seeing problems where they are not there. The OP was nothing to do with sn but you are clearly looking at threads through your own 'filter'. If you want a platform for your opinions start another thread, instead of manipulating threads around to the subject of sn.

My first post was because someone made a disablist comment about special snowflakes. My later comments were pretty much all in responses to what individuals had said regarding no noise at all because no noise at all would mean my child being shut off from the world. Several times I said I agreed with the op.

. Honking do you ever frequent any other parts of the boards on here, or do you just stick around, in wait, to jump on threads that you think you can manipulate so that an element of Disabilism can be attributed to them.

Why are you not brave enough to start your own threads, instead of trying to hijack everyone else's.
It really isin't all about you!

Had the full peppa on a plane experience a few months ago. It never fails to amaze me how selfish and ignorant some people can be. Should be made to be illegal in a public place if these idiots cannot apply common sense to a situation.

You will come across an 'essential loud IPad user' (for want of a better term) maybe once or twice a year.
I reject the notion that such a person exists. There are other coping strategies that could and should be used - that people used before ipads were invented.

I completely agree that this was an example of selfish, lazy parenting.

be aware that some noisy toddlers who don't accept "no" may indeed have some form of special need not yet identified. It's not always about lazy parenting.
I would never judge a parent whose child was not accepting "no", I would judge them if their child was behaving in an unacceptable manner (that was having a significant negative impact on other people) and they were doing absolutely nothing about it.
There are things you have to stop your child from doing, no matter what their disability is.

My child was a climber, he didn't understand "no", but when he tried climbing somewhere inappropriate (shop shelves, train seats, other people's property, garden fences etc), I stopped him. At no point did it ever occur to me that I could say "He doesn't understand because he's got learning difficulties and he needs to climb all the time. You need to be more accepting."

To be fair I spent loads of time removing DS from situations as a toddler simply because he couldn't understand why he wasn't allowed to climb/run around/screech etc. So I did think about the impact upon others around us and yes it doesn't take much to ask other people "do you mind the noise if I allow him to watch a programme on his iPad". Personally Peppa Pig drives me nuts and I did everything I could to prevent DS from watching it.

Stopping a child sometimes means remove g them from the situation.

But I have moved away fro t he question in the OP now. Yes a parent should be considerate enough to ask before inflicting noisy television programmes (especially Peppa bloody Pig) on other people...a simple do you mind" is a small thing to do.

We didn't have iPads or anything like that whe DS was that age so it took books and lots of other interaction to manage his oddities.

And of course the child in the OP might have had no issues at all....just a Mum who couldn't or wouldn't ask other passengers if they minded the noise.

Omg haddock

Special snowflake is a term

She wasnt using it to describe a disabled child

You just want a fight. I bloody well hope you are less aggressive in real life.