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To not bother starting this job?

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harveyyspecter · 28/11/2016 23:19

Got a part time job after being a sahm for the last 2 years. I'm due to start next week and therefore dd will be starting nursery.

The problem is that one of the contracted shifts is on an evening and I can't get childcare for dd. I didn't realise dd's dad wouldn't be able to take care of her when I had the interview.

Wibu to just not bother with the job or should I start and ask them to swap shifts which will make me look like a flake straight away..

OP posts:
Graphista · 30/11/2016 16:21

"Anxiety is not cured by recognising how it affects you" really? Want to tell all the medical professionals I've had as a service user over the last 15 years that say this is the starting point for dealing with ANY mental illness - learning to recognise the effect it's having. Oh and the ones my several friends who also have anxiety disorders have too?

appalling attitude to mental illness by some here.

Baylisiana · 01/12/2016 01:17

In my experience it is true that anxiety is not cured by recognising how it affects you....realising your fears or level of fear are irrational doesn't often take them away. Well not with some types of anxiety. Also though, recognising how it affects you is an important part of a 'cure' and is a starting point in most current therapy practices.

Baylisiana · 01/12/2016 01:20

I think the trouble with anxiety as a description of a mental disorder is that the word is also used to describe a normal range of emotion in everyone. So people who have not experienced severe anxiety disorders in some way imagine that is similar to the kind of anxiety everyone experiences.

unicornlovermother · 01/12/2016 02:46

user 14800000000000

Oh are we pretending that on AIBU that we don't make judgments? Yeah I am not going along with that pretense user. You go for it.

I make a judgement in the op's favour, unlike many people with their smug judgments of her being flaky for considering turning the job down. She did not feel confident that she could arrange childcare and she came on here to get some advice but I am amazed how very negative so many have been about the possibility she considered. Coming to a decision involves considering all the choices and it was R of her to consider not taking the job if she could not find childcare she felt satisfied with. How is it going to serve her having a job long tern with a shift pattern that creates a child care problem? Let's not even get into the fact she may be working that shift for nothing in return by the time she pays for childcare- why should she do that? I would find another job where I do not have to find evening cover. So feeling anxious is an understandable response.

Frankly I find the judgment from people on here who seem to think that working full time and parenting at the end of the day for a short part of the day is somehow so worthy and even superior- all the lines that get trotted out about how great it is to work and set an example to your kids.

What is so great about working instead of parenting? When did stay home parenting become something that is considered less worthy when parenting is for most the most significant work you will ever do? Personally I have a lot of respect for the parents who find a way to stay home and I realize not everyone can do it and many don't want to do it. Of course we live at a time in history when everyone is encouraged to do what is right for them, rather than right for anyone else in the situation.

I applaud the OP for worrying about someone else's welfare in the face of something that represented an opportunity for her- she was not being flaky. She was having the natural reaction of a parent assessing the needs of her child and herself. Glad you worked it out OP-if you had not, finding a different job would have been a perfectly reasonable choice.

As a teacher I cannot tell you how many times I read in students' journals how much they long to spend time with their parents but....they then tell me that their parents are always at work. But hey ho what a fine example they are setting for their children who must long to grow up and be able to model such a glorious work ethic for their own children.

I work full time and I don't pretend it is the ideal situation. I know my children would love to spend more time with me and their father and I am always open to changing my job if I can eliminate the inevitable childcare issues that can arise depending on the job and shifts offered. So yes I will cheer lead the OP considering that option and it is unsettling how many on here seem to think that some job trumps the OP's child's needs and the OP's needs to feel ok with the childcare option, that taking up a specific job entails.

user1480182169 · 01/12/2016 09:51

What is so great about working instead of parenting? When did stay home parenting become something that is considered less worthy when parenting is for most the most significant work you will ever do?

We work as well as parent. Its not either or.

And no-one said staying at home was less worthy, it is YOU and your like saying that working is less worthy with your "parenting is most important" and "I would never leave my children with other people" bullshit.

Your guilt at working is your own affair, don't judge everyone else because yuo feel shitty for it.

JenLindleyShitMom · 01/12/2016 11:47

Oh hey user, have you found those posts yet or are you going to retract your incorrect comment comment about me?

unicornlovermother · 01/12/2016 14:27

User you misread me.

I don't feel shitty or guilty about working- I recognize that for our family it is a necessity due to choices we have made about the life we have right now. Do I think it is the best situation for my 4 year old who is very vocal about the fact she misses me during the day? No, I don't. Do I think that it is the best situation for all the kids who find them selves in care 8-12 hours a day 5 days a week, because their parents have to work or wish to work rather than be a stay home parent? No I don't think that is the best situation for a young child. My experiences working in a pre school/ nursery and now in a school have led me to this belief because I see directly that children have a strong desire to spend time with their parents and connect and I see how many children simply are not getting this parental connection they long for. So, I don't pretend that going to work and parenting for a few hours on an evening is just as good as spending more time with your child because I don't believe it is. I am honest with myself and I certainly don't come on here and respond to stay home parents the way I see people responding on here- I assume to assuage their own deeply buried feelings about their own choices. I know full well that no one is working as hard as the stay home mothers who are indeed parenting 12-14 hours a day every day, mostly alone, dealing with the pressures that come with smll children. Those parents are indeed craing for their children full time unlike those of us who work and pay others to care for them for the greatest part of the day.
so yes it is not either/or on the working/parenting front. But it is either/ or on the care and see to your chld's needs full time or work full time. Let's not pretend that those of us working are also hands on caring for our children full time because we are not. We may well be parents 100% of the time but the many tasks involved in parenting every day- only stay home parents are doing those every day-the rest of us are paying for that from people who happen to work in childcare settings.

There are numerous posts on here from people who seem so adamant that the priority is for the OP to just take the job- regardless of the practicalities of her working out childcare. The job seems in their view to be the priority. I get the sense that for the op the priority was getting a job that would not entail her making childcare decisions that she may have been uncomfortable with.

OP-I support you questioning if this job was viable for you- there are many jobs in the world - many of us try to find one, that not only fits in with our desires and needs but also those of our children and our financial constraints.

harveyyspecter · 01/12/2016 15:58

For the record can I just state that I never said that I would never leave my child with another person. user you seem to be making shit up. I left dd at nursery for the first time yesterday and I'm very confident that she will be happy and safe there. Of course there are risks with any type of childcare but for me the risk of leaving dd with a babysitter on an evening until 11pm is just not worth it.

In a nursery there are several children and several members of staff. The likelihood of dd being hurt or neglected is extremely low whereas in my own home where dd would be one on one with a babysitter - that person is free to treat dd however she likes and I'd never know what truly went on when I was at work.

Fair enough if other people are fine with that, each to their own. I don't judge mothers and the choices that they make but I am free to make decisions based on what I feel comfortable with.

I admit that I could have picked a better choice of wording for the title of their hey he his thread because 'not bother' does seem a bit like I can't be arsed to go to work. This is definitely not the case. I had just gone over and over things in my head so many times that nothing made sense any more and anxiety had well and truly taken over.

Maybe people like user are unhappy with choices they've made either in the past or at present and saw this thread as a chance to bully me into a situation where I would end up as miserable and bitter as them? Who knows.

OP posts:
Manumission · 01/12/2016 16:00

How did her first session go harvey?

user1480182169 · 01/12/2016 17:30

I'm very happy with the choices I've made, just sick of people on here and elsewhere judging.

If you think that a ratio of one staff member to 3 or 5 or 8 or even 10 children is somehow safer than a ratio of one to one, you have no concept of risk perception.

harveyyspecter · 01/12/2016 17:33

A ratio of 1 to 3 which is what dd has is much better than 1 to 1 in these circumstances.

She loved it thanks Manumission Smile

OP posts:
JenLindleyShitMom · 01/12/2016 17:35

How you getting on with that retraction user? An apology will suffice. Or are you not adult enough to acknowledge when you've accused someone in the wrong?

JenLindleyShitMom · 01/12/2016 17:36

Good to hear harvey hopefully that will make the return to work a bit easier for you knowing she was happy.

Manumission · 01/12/2016 17:47

Glad to hear it Smile

HelenaDove · 01/12/2016 18:02

Apparently Sainsburys is opening on Boxing Day Are you down for this shift OP or dont you know yet.

user1480182169 · 01/12/2016 18:03

A ratio of 1 to 3 which is what dd has is much better than 1 to 1 in these circumstances

Because you say so? Thats not how it works.

UbiquityTree · 01/12/2016 18:15

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bummymummy77 · 02/12/2016 00:57

Whereas busy, motivated people with lots of distractions from their own negative thoughts have no time to stop and worry - they just get on with stuff. And low and behold, the sky doesn't fall in!

Who the fuck wrote that?!

I used to work a 60-80 hour week and not have time to fart and suffered from hellish anxiety. What an utterly cunty comment.

bummymummy77 · 02/12/2016 00:59

Bold fail sorry.

Literally sobbing with boiling, itchy piss. Grin

Some people have such a lack of empathy or general social awareness I wonder how they have any friends.

NoncommittalToSparkleMotion · 02/12/2016 04:45

Well done and all the best OP. Flowers

I can't believe the madness on here.

Lovelybangers · 02/12/2016 07:23

Glad that the nursery session went well OP.

Good luck with the job. I worked for Sainsburys for years and found that they would generally be flexible where possible.

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