To not really understand why some people are so upset by transwomen using public toilets?

[MyGastIsFlabbered]

I'm sorry if this offends, but I really don't understand why this is such a contentious topic. I know transwomen and they just want to pop into a cubicle, do their business and leave. I understand that there is a fear of being attacked, but I honestly think if someone is of a mind to do that they'll do it whether dressed as a woman or not.

[MumOnTheRunCatchingUp]

whisperng loudly you speak sense!! Op should listen

[stopfuckingshoutingatme]

to protect transwomen, biological women are thrown under the metaphorical bus?!

They are having a piss - or a shit ! In a dress - let them be

[reallyanotherone]

harder little boys needing supervision are not comparable. Idiotic to compare the two

There have been many, many threads on here about boys using women's changing room.

Small boys needing supervision, fine. But increasingly they are older boys, up to the age of 12, perfectly capable of using the toilet or changing themselves but their mum does not feel it is safe for them to use mens.

I have seen mums waiting outside of the ladies while their boys use the toilet or get changed.

Why are mens spaces a threat to boys? If they are, why are female spaces safe, and will they still be safe if those who should be in the mens are there?

[shins]

[Manumission]

I personally think it would be a lot better if all toilets were unisex, women can use the men's if they want to but I personally wouldn't choose to because they usually stink.

And you think unisex toilets will be sweet-smelling utiopias free if cottaging, dirt, sex-offenders and everything else that is undesirable? You're imagining, essentially, ladies' loos with the odd clean and respectful man?

[AVirginLitTheCandle]

And yes, in theory a man could dress as a woman to get access to female only spaces

You're missing the point. You don't have to dress as a woman to access their space. All you have to do is say you identify as a woman and that's it, you're in. No dressing up required.

[CaesiumTime]

Jesus, Lesley - that's absolutely shite. FFS.

[MyGastIsFlabbered]

Where did I say I support men's rights?

[Manumission]

I'm afraid I still don't understand the difference between gender and sex either. And it's not a case of being 'right on' to not care or notice, I'm not doing it to be 'cool', it's about doing what's right.

Oh FFS.

[MumOnTheRunCatchingUp]

Doesn't take much to be 'convincingly female' op.... anyone could try it

[2kids2dogsnosense]

As others have said - no penis in ladies' toilets (or changing rooms etc)

AND

How do we know that every trans woman is what s/he claims to be? Can you promise me that none of them are perverts who see an easy opportunity to invade women's areas. And there are many men who will get satisfaction and a frisson from just knowing that women are uncomfortable with their presence - why should they have the opportunity to make women and girls feel unsafe or embarrassed?

[TheProblemOfSusan]

MyGastIsFlabbered Sex is the actual physical characteristics, gender is the expression of whether you're male or female, so which gender you feel that you are on the inside.

Most of us match but sometimes people don't, which is where you get transgender people coming in. NHS has a good explanation here: www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/Pages/Introduction.aspx.

It must be absolutely miserable experiencing that and I hate the thought that people are making it even more difficult for transwomen.

[Mrskeats]

Not this bloody sex and gender thing again
Sex=biology
Gender=social construct that varies around the world

[2kids2dogsnosense]

Excellent post really

[formerbabe]

They are having a piss - or a shit ! In a dress - let them be

Wearing a dress doesn't make you a woman.
If you have a penis and you're wearing a dress...you're a man in a dress. Hth

[WilliamHerschel]

It is not possible for a human being to change from one sex to another. I do not want to share toilets or any other female only spaces with men.

[AVirginLitTheCandle]

And what does dressing like a woman mean?

IME when people talk about a man dressing like a woman they mean wearing a dress, make-up and heels.

So if I wear a shirt and jeans, trainers and no make-up, am I not dressed like a woman?

[MyGastIsFlabbered]

But not one person has answered how we can monitor this to make sure no transwomen go into female toilets. I went to the loo plenty of times with my trans friend and not once was she challenged about it...so how can we be sure? Most of us probably pee in the presence of transwomen already, does that mean we should be scared to use public toilets just in case?

[TheUnworthy]

Sex= your biological sex. In the huge majority of cases you have xx chromosomes (making you a female with ovaries etc.) or xy (making you a male with a penis) this cannot be changed.

Gender= a social construct. Men like the colour blue, mathematics, working on engines, being a soldier, violence and drinking beer.

Women like wearing pretty dresses, pink, cooking and looking after children.

[bigbuttons]

a transwoman is not a woman.

[Destinysdaughter]

I have a couple of pre op trans women friends. They are lovely people and just want to live their lives as women. They are literally incapable of assaulting a woman. It would be much more dangerous for them to go into a male toilet. I do understand why women may feel threatened but it makes me feel that many women are being as intolerant towards genuine trans women as we accuse men of being towards us.

[ExitPursuedBySpartacus]

We don't know.

But that doesn't make it right.

[Halloweensnake]

Oh for gods sake not this AGAIN

[WilliamHerschel]

How can we monitor this? We can't and I don't think anyone is asking for genital checks or birth certificates on hand. We should be able to challenge or report if we see Dave Muscato, for example, in the ladies. Not be told that we are bigots because he identifies as a woman.

[Manumission]

The "pee in the presence of..." shite is old and boring OP.

If you're going to start a thread asking for explanations don't ignore them all to pretend that "peeing in the presence of" is the essence of the objection.