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DP and DM can't stand each other - WWYD?

187 replies

crocodarl · 06/11/2016 22:20

Apologies for the length of this, but I want to avoid drip feeding if possible...

I have a great relationship with my DP and also with my DM, but, as with many inlaws, they really don't get on with each other. In fact, they fell out properly when DS1 was about 10 months old and I found it very difficult as I got completely stuck in the middle trying to mediate between them... after that they didn't see each other for about 2 years - I went once or twice a year for a long visit to DM with the kids but DP stayed at home.

Over the last couple of years things have improved and DM has been over to stay with us several times and although they still aren't keen they seemed to manage to tolerate each other for the sake of me and the kids. However, now it seems to be all boiling back up again... DM is visiting as DS3 has just been born and pretty much every day there is some kind of unpleasantness.

The problem, I think, is partly cultural and partly just personality clash. They are both people who are very set in their ways and automatically think anyone else's way of doing something is wrong if its different from theirs - but neither of them thinks they are like that! Also, DP is very direct if he is annoyed about something (in a way DM finds very upsetting and rude) and DM is completely insensitive about stuff that is clearly likely to set him off (then gets very upset when it does). She thinks he is aggressive and controlling. He thinks she is rude and over-reacting.

Lately the issue has been cleanliness: DP and his family are borderline obssessive about domestic hygiene. DM has a far more relaxed approach. Obviously I was raised by DM and so am not panicking about dirt, but on the other hand I quite like things clean, especially as we have a new baby at the moment I think it's quite normal and sensible to be a bit careful about handwashing/keeping things clean around the house. DM takes exception when DP asks her to wash her hands when she comes into our house (although there's no way she'd do it if he didn't) also she really doesn't get how disgusting it is for him that she has a day old used cloth hanky in her pocket. Also at dinner this evening she passed a drumstick she's already eaten part of to the 2 year old to finish... and she'd think nothing of using a tissue she'd already used herself on the 2 year old or the 4 year old ... to be honest I'm totally with DP on all of this being wrong/revolting, although on the other hand I grew up with this kind of stuff seeming normal and knowing we are all healthy and all survived so also think it's fairly harmless really - just I wish she wouldn't! But on the other hand I know she means well and she's lovely in lots of other ways and I hate that this is making her feel so unhappy/uncomfortable around us - but i wish she'd just think a little bit!! And as for her relationship with DP, this is just 1 example - even if we got the hygiene issue sorted, he would find something else to be annoyed about.

I have tried talking to both of them and tried to give them tips to help them understand each other a bit better but it really hasn't helped ... and I'm starting to think the best plan is just to keep them away from each other... I just don't have the energy to try to fix this any more, I am so sick of being stuck in the middle ... I used to find it upsetting, now it's just sort of funny except for neither of them sees it that way.

I don't want to sacrifice my (or the kids') relationship with either of them, and I don't want to ban DM from visiting us (or for DP to have stay out of the house when she does) but I don't know if I can stand the atmosphere of of what's it's like when she's here.

So, thanks anyone who read all the way through this! And, from your own experience regarding inlaw relationships, should I just let them fight and stay out of it, or should I go back to only visiting DM at her place without DP? I think she'd be devastated though, if she thought she wasn't welcome at ours.... Any suggestions welcome.

OP posts:
APlaceOnTheCouch · 07/11/2016 10:53

He treats his mum poorly and he treats your mum poorly. tbh I'd be concerned that this is indicative of a deeper attitude towards women.
Flowers

APlaceOnTheCouch · 07/11/2016 10:54

oops - xpost Margo yy I agree.

autumnintheair · 07/11/2016 10:55

Is he from a macho patriarchal society?

Branleuse · 07/11/2016 11:04

your dp is rude and obsessive. Your poor mum

SpookyPotato · 07/11/2016 11:40

I'm with your mum and think your DP is obsessive and rude. Your mum sounds normal. It's not fair on you having to mediate between them all the time, especially after having a baby.. Either they make the effort (probably not going to happen) or your mum stays in a hotel nearby.

gotthemoononastick · 07/11/2016 11:54

I have an old friend whose son in law 's rules are no shoes,no sitting on beds in outdoor clothes and hand washing on entry, (Cultural apparently.)

She felt so 'sh..' as you all say... does not go there anymore.
Neither do all the aunties and uncles .

Lose lose for all concerned.

Trifleorbust · 07/11/2016 12:06

Autumn: Because hospitals are packed to the rafters with viruses and harmful bacteria, and with vulnerable patients. Most people, including babies, will be able to tolerate a normal home environment just fine. It isn't desirable to eliminate all germs - we need some exposure to build our immune systems.

pikapoo · 07/11/2016 12:42

I'm genuinely amazed at the variety of attitudes towards hygiene offered up on this thread!

OP, FWIW I think it sounds like a culture/personality clash and unless the two of them are willing to compromise (olive branches and all that), the only 'solution' might be to keep them apart.

pikapoo · 07/11/2016 12:43

Oh, and I expect that the hand-washing attitudes might vary depending on where you live (e.g. if you just knew how gross the air and surfaces can be on the London undergound... Shock)

LetsAllEatCakes · 07/11/2016 12:49

I think op that you need to call them both on it when they are in the wrong. If you agree with your husband in handwashing then tell your mum. If you don't then tell him.

If they both stubbornly believe their way is right and oppose each other then give your opinion. Sometimes you'll agree with dh and sometimes dmum.

autumnintheair · 07/11/2016 13:04

I wasn't talking about eliminating all germs, I am all for germs but in winter with infections rife, inc norivirus I dont see the harm in a bit of extra hand washing with a new born in the house.

Hand washing is the most simple thing we can do to protect ourselves and our vulnerable ones. Its so quick and easy.

Trifleorbust · 07/11/2016 13:08

I don't see the harm either. I do see the harm in insisting that everyone who walks through your front door needs to wash, immediately, because your home (with its mewling, puking, crapping infant and two grown adults at least) is so much cleaner than they are Hmm

DoinItFine · 07/11/2016 13:16

Handwashing is just his way of bullying this woman he dislikes.

OP says that even if she stuck to his hygiene rules he would find something else to turn her into a disgusting pariah.

Prick

Atenco · 07/11/2016 13:47

Handwashing is just his way of bullying this woman he dislikes

This

If I were the mother I doubt I would want to put up with this type of treatment, I'm very much of the idea of not going where I am not wanted.

honeyandvinegar · 07/11/2016 14:06

Your husband is being very controlling and behaving strangely IMO but if I were your Mum I would go along with it in order for you not to feel stressed with a newborn to care for.
They aren't showing much consideration for you if they grumble about each other to you.
When the baby is a bit older you might all feel more comfortable if you visit your Mum at her house without him. They only need to see each other on the odd family occasion.

Shelby2010 · 07/11/2016 15:23

I remember being a bit neurotic over people washing their hands with DD1, but it seemed a bit pointless when DD2 came along.... Even if I could be bothered to make DD1 wash her hands before touching the baby it wouldn't have stopped her kissing & slobbering over the baby. Also we were out & about much sooner after DD2, so couldn't make everyone you came in contact with wash their hands!

Most people get over this level of obsessiveness by their 2nd child. I also agree with previous poster that your DH is a bully & I doubt the OCD is cultural - just how his family live. Any place you go in the summer you'll see adults licking the kids ice creams to stop them dripping. Sharing food is normal!

Myrobalanna · 07/11/2016 15:42

OK regarding the hand washing: you can dress it up as cultural as much as you like, but asking someone to wash their hands when they come into your home is unnecessary and rude. And to all the other folk who think this is all right: no, it isn't. It's over the top. I don't think you all understand how many microbes there are in all places at all times.

Passing a chicken leg you took a bite out of to a small child is something that is normal within families and not acceptable outside families.

I think it's pretty clear that your husband is using this to exert control over someone he dislikes. People do this all the time: he's setting her an invisible task (she will never see it as her duty to wash her hands because she's not OCD or unreasonable, presumably) and her failure in his eyes is set up to reinforce his dislike and frustration.

He sounds like quite the catch!

Myrobalanna · 07/11/2016 15:46

Sorry, you asked WWYD - I don't know. I assume you're a bit nervous of him bullying you too. Perhaps you could see your mum elsewhere - get an apartment in a different town, in the guise of a holiday, and make sure he's not there? Then re-assess?

DontMindMe1 · 07/11/2016 16:17

i think your dp needs therapy OP

Pickled0nions · 07/11/2016 16:31

So your DH is rude to his own mum is that what you said? Well it sounds like he has a habit of being horrible to people's mothers.

Does your DH think your DM is covered in filth or something? I mean, the hanky thing is a bit mank. Unless your DM is not having baths or something I think he's being a bit mean to her.

DecaffCoffeeAndRollupsPlease · 07/11/2016 16:32

I'm with your mum, and your DH sounds unhinged and bullying.

woowoowoo · 07/11/2016 17:54

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Allthewaves · 07/11/2016 21:26

Your mother is a guest. He should sick up all his issues and put on a smile.

Honestly he just sounds like he constantly picks at her and reprimands her like a child

Allthewaves · 07/11/2016 21:26

Sick=suck

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