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Confused about attitudes to prams on buses

324 replies

5FeetOfWater · 05/11/2016 09:44

I know this can be a sensitive topic but I'd like some honest opinions.

I get the bus twice a day with 15-month-old. I usually park buggy in the space where the fold-down seats are (not the wheelchair space opposite, I know wheelchair users have priority and if I used this space I'd always give it up if someone needed it).

There are often 2 or 3 prams on the bus, sometimes 4. And almost every day I hear people complaining 'in my day we used to walk from - to - with the prams' (approx 45-min walk) 'look at all those prams, we never took our prams on the bus' 'why don't they fold their prams' etc.
I could understand this attitude if bus was crowded but it's generally half empty so the prams aren't in the way.
Yet people still sit on the fold-down seats when they can see prams are getting on. Yesterday I politely said
'Excuse me please, I need to put my buggy here' (at least 8 other seats free)
Lady moved to a seat 1m away with much muttering and glaring.

I always give up my seat if needed and avoid the priority seats as I'm aware people with walking aids and shopping trolleys need the extra space. But on some buses the fold-up seats have a sign above saying 'please give up this space to parents with prams and pushchairs'. There are 4 priority seats behind this area with space for walking aids.

I know I could fold, but it's safer to have DD strapped in. She's only just walking and I'd struggle to hold her and carry folded pushchair and nursery bags/shopping/my work bags. I often see mums with a toddler and a baby in pram really struggling to fit pram it because no-one wants to move.

AIBU??

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Artandco · 07/11/2016 16:56

Sorry not convinced. Baby shit is baby shit. You need a new containable nappy for liquid shits. Otherwise might as well not bother with any

m0therofdragons · 07/11/2016 16:59

I have not caught a bus for five years after I took dd 3 (walking no buggy), and dtds (one in a sling and one in an icandy cherry). I was asked to fold the buggy even though there was space and I couldn't work out how - who would hold my newborn dtd? My 3yo? It was so hard I got off and called a taxi Confused

teenyrabbit · 07/11/2016 17:00

Sorry but am I the only one who's child's nappy has ever exploded?

No I don't think I am.

I'm not saying it happens every bloody day but it does happen, and I'd like to be prepared if/when it does.

I am sorry for caring perfectly well for my child Hmm

teenyrabbit · 07/11/2016 17:01

And baby shit is not baby shit. Did your child have only one consistency of shit in the same quantity every single time? I seriously doubt it.

joanne90 · 07/11/2016 17:07

Why not learn to drive?

Artandco · 07/11/2016 17:10

Well babies only drink milk so yeah it's the same. Hardly going to be shitting sweet corn are they

Artandco · 07/11/2016 17:11

TEeny -You can personally carry as much stuff as you like, but you can't then complain about it if it's your choice.

Pisssssedofff · 07/11/2016 17:13

teenyrabbit you just don't care the more you have - stop at one that's my advice as a mother of 4 !

longestlurkerever · 07/11/2016 17:18

How small a buggy folds is not the point. I do generally use a McLaren now but still don't fold it unless I have to because it's just as hard to get the baby out, navigate your way to a seat while the bus is moving, empty the basket of stuff etc etc and then the same in reverse when you get to your stop. There's no way I'd do it just as a matter of course. Doing it at the bus stop wouldn't help as you still have to safely convey the buggy to the rack and baby to a seat before the bus sets off (won't happen on our route) and the same in reverse. Even a sling leaves a bit of a dangerous scramble to a seat (and for someone to vacate one for you if they are full)

teenyrabbit · 07/11/2016 17:19

Oh art give over. You're being frankly pathetic now.

I am stopping at one pissedoff! Grin

And if the driving thing was aimed at me - I can Smile

LadyBusDriver · 07/11/2016 17:20

I'm a bus driver and I always ask people to move for prams if they don't, most people do though. I'd ignore the older generation who complain, I've had loads of rude comments about my age and looking too young to drive and looking too young to have a child, oh in their day they were married and in their late 20s when they had kids... well yes so was I. Never an apology to be had either.
Ignore them and just get on with your day.

53rdAndBird · 07/11/2016 17:21

Why not learn to drive?

Great idea - then if the buggy space is full, we can just swap with the bus driver! Grin

happymumof4crazykids · 07/11/2016 17:22

It's crazy that people have a problem with pushchairs on the bus! Yes before there was walk on buses we folded pushchairs but there was a space/luggage area to put them. Now even if you fold it there is nowhere to put it other than in the fold down seats area!
A few years ago I was on a bus with my double pram (one in front of the other) and a lady with a big silver cross pram was in the wheelchair space. A wheelchair user wanted to get on at the the stop after I got on, bus driver asked if one of us would fold the pram, other lady said no so I said yes I will got my 13 month old out and sat her on a seat got my newborn out had to hand her to a stranger to hold and folded my pram down. Wheelchair user couldn't get on still as my pram was still too big folded :( one very outspoken lady was telling me to get off the bus and walk Angry I had paid for a single ticket and as I had 2 children with me I had to pay for 1 of them even though they are under 5. Driver wouldn't give me a ticket to get the next bus so I refused! Lots of grumbling and slagging me off but not one person said anything to the other mum! Really pissed me off I had tried everything I could and I didn't see why I should get off. If we had both folded our prams there would have been space for the wheelchair!

Artandco · 07/11/2016 17:31

I'm hardly pathetic, I'm not the one who has an issue getting on and off a bus in one piece with just one child. Yes get on and keep pram up, but don't complain about when you do have fold, how you have too many teethers in hands to possible hold a child and fold pram, how you bought a pram that's too big to fold. That's your problem, and many easily solved. It's hardly rocket science, space on bus get on and leave pram up, no space then fold, on and wheelchair then you need to be able to fold or not complain about having to get off as you bought a tank.

Artandco · 07/11/2016 17:32

How do you get on a plane or train?

Pisssssedofff · 07/11/2016 17:36

Look the honest truth I've discovered with people generally is this country just doesn't like kids, they expect them to be seen at not heard until they are 18 and then be perfectly functioning members of society. You go to Italy, Spain Christ the difference just blows your socks off

BusStopBetty · 07/11/2016 17:44

Not everyone has the luxury of being able to drop hundreds of pounds on a bugaboo bee.

Artandco · 07/11/2016 17:48

Bus - that was an example. You could buy below for £99. Parent faces, flat from newborn, folds in one piece

www.kiddicare.com/p/Joie_Mirus_Pushchair_in_Citron.htm?kc_age_from=Birth&price_band=50_-_100

ghostspirit · 07/11/2016 18:10

Even with a small fold pushchair it's very hard.

I do agree all big baby bags with everything but the kitchen sink is not needed.

noeffingidea · 07/11/2016 18:30

pissedoff perhaps your friends parents were like yours then? Didn't have the money or inclination?
However, in the general population, parents weren't trapped like prisoners indoors as you contended. That is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
My MIL had to work and take her baby to the childminders on the bus, and that was in the 50's. She managed.
That doesn't mean that buses shouldn't have spaces for buggies, they should, and from what I've seen they generally work quite well.

RochelleGoyle · 07/11/2016 20:31

joanne90 Why not learn to drive? Erm, it's not an option for everyone because of ooh, let's see - possible disabilities, financial restraints, limited childcare, ability to actually buy and maintain a vehicle even if qualified... I'm sure the OP didn't start this thread in hope that someone would suggest she learns to drive. Totally missing the point and no different to people who say 'oh, just throw on a sling'. Hmm

Rinceoir · 07/11/2016 21:04

I think this might be a mumsnet problem! I read on here a lot when DD was small and I was really terrified getting on the bus to begin with.

My first trip out on my own with her was when she was 2 weeks old, we had to go to the hospital for a scan. DH had to go back to work. I had only been discharged 3 days and was recovering from a c-section and a PPH followed by sepsis. My haemoglobin was 7 (which was half of what it was the day of delivery). I was not strong enough to carry a baby in a sling and a backpack at the time. I was terrified someone would make a fuss and insist I folded the buggy on the bus and was actually considering walking the 4 miles (until DH reminded me that climbing a flight of stairs left me very short of breath!).

It was absolutely fine. As was every other bus journey I've taken since! I live in an area where a bus comes along every few minutes. I would always move or fold for a wheelchair user and I used a sling the majority of the time anyway to make my life easier on the tube. But nobody ever tutted at me, or complained about me parking my buggy in the space, or complained that I was taking up too much space. It makes no sense to fold if there is space- baby safer in pram and there are no luggage racks anymore to hold folded buggies.

teenyrabbit · 07/11/2016 21:06

I haven't got a tank art stop trying to be so clever. My pram is actually quite compact.

I'm not whinging about teethers I'm just saying not all of us like to be as unprepared as you.

I don't mind carrying things my child needs with me, I'm not going to make my life harder because art the perfect parent thinks I should Hmm

kipkipkip · 07/11/2016 21:18

Oh for gods sake the space is there for buggies, why would anyone pack everything up and put baby in a sling and fold buggy if they don't NEED to, Jesus talk about making life hard for yourself. No one likes a martyr.

And all this competitive "I only carry two nappies cos my nappies are so much better than yours" IS pathetic.

Comtesse · 07/11/2016 21:22

Just get on the bus. Fuck 'em. I did bus trips all the time in central London (morning school run) and you've just got to ignore stroppy passengers. Yes of course wheelchairs get priority but people who tut don't count. As I said, fuck 'em and ignore.