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My daughter slapped a work colleague on the shop floor!

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plastique · 28/10/2016 20:50

My daughter is distraught, she slapped a colleague at work whilst having playful banter (though they did cross the line), but it was a bit hard, left a mark for 10 mins and colleague is not happy...what should she do??

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Italiangreyhound · 29/10/2016 14:16

BoneyBackJefferson re "Italiangreyhound, If you are going to quote me at least do it in context and not continue taking it out of context, as has been done by another poster."

I did not intend to misquote you, can you tell me what i said that was wrong, because it was not intentional. Smile

Italiangreyhound · 29/10/2016 14:22

TheZeppo context is very important to me, I do Taekwan-do, we spar, we try and hit each other, it is perfectly legal, it is the context in which we do the activity. It's not the same as the example here but it is the context, like self defense. I do feel context is important.

Italiangreyhound · 29/10/2016 14:50

kali re "italian i know of two blokes who had gfs who hit them.
Thankfully one ended the relationship but the other is still with her. Some of his friends think it's funny (not friends in my opinion) you really can't see why more men stay silent? Even after comments on here?"

I can completely see the potential for men (or women) to stay silent when in an abusive relationship.

The reasons either sex would stay silent are obvious. But I don't believe men are more likely to stay silent than women. I believe this is a myth.

Either may worry about losing their home or kids, or may worry about not being believed. This might be more true for men, but the man who was in a relationship my friend who was very controlling etc, was tall, handsome and charming, it is easy to see how some people come across as very plausible and nice, people of either sex!

Generally, women have the additional worry that their partners superior strength means he could seriously injure or kill them, I doubt if many men worry about that. Women may put themselves in harms way because they are not sure how to leave; the fact that in some controlling marriages men control the finances may well mean that women have additional reasons to stay silent.

I am not at all 'supporting' women being violent to men. AT ALL.

I am saying that I do not think it is less likely men would report. If you read the article I linked to you will see individual incidents of violence in individual couples are very few where the victim is male - e.g. the man leaves, or stops the violence by their superior 'strength' or by the law but incidents in individual relationships where the female is the victim are usually many more, sometimes a lot more. EG the women are more likely to stay and 'put up with the situation'. Who do you think is more likely to report, someone who is likely to put up with multiple incidents or someone who is not?

I think the assumption men are less likely to report is based on how men may have behaved many years ago when they might genuinely been less likely to report because they may not have been believed. I do not think that is true now. I know a man (a work colleague not a good friend) who was a victim of domestic abuse and he was very open about it. NONE of this excuses violence but I was responding originally to a poster about the likelihood of a man reporting.

And...

Re "Nobody should be hit, man or woman. ( unless being attacked)"
Yes, I agree.

Sorry Pluto typing fail... "Pluto I am not using age to condone violence..."

itunscrewstheotherway re "No, but you were saying that the article you linked supported your belief that men are less likely to report DV."

No, I was not, I think men are more likely or at least just as likely to report domestic violence as women are, for all the reasons I just said above.

The comparison to "two men engaging in a bear hug" was that if her slap was a bit playful and just landed hard on the man, then that would be comparable to a bear hug ending up in an accident, because the intention might not have been to hurt.

When I was much younger (about 18) me and a male friend got into a playful fight and I bit him o the hand! I hurt him but I did not mean to as we were kind of play fighting! Yes 18 is very old to be doing that but I was mortified that I hurt him. I had not intended to. I just wondered if this might be the case here. Something that got out of hand but was meant playfully. Like all others I am only trying to on what the OP has said.

Italiangreyhound · 29/10/2016 14:52

Pluto I did not say it was fine to slap him.

BoneyBackJefferson · 29/10/2016 16:35

Italiangreyhound

The quote that you used was saying that the reason men don't report violence is because people belittle and humiliate them, as was posted by someone else, I did not link this to DV another poster did.

BoneyBackJefferson · 29/10/2016 16:41

AVirginLitTheCandle

"How many times do I need to say this before it sinks in?"

until you stop saying that it isn't as bad.

The problem with your logic is that it opens up a whole host of excuses for the bully/harasser/violent person.

Would you accept the "they where smaller" excuse from a school?
Or from where a smaller man hits a woman?

I spent a good chunk of my school life being hit by smaller boys and girls, the standard response was "well they are smaller"or "you don't hit girls back" , the one time I hit back, I was hauled in front of the head, who was told in very plain terms that if the school wasn't going to protect me then I would do it myself.

itunscrewstheotherway · 29/10/2016 17:05

No, I was not, I think men are more likely or at least just as likely to report domestic violence as women are, for all the reasons I just said above.

My post was obviously mis-typed, and was supposed to say words to the effect of, "you used the link to try to support your belief that men are NOT less likely to report DV, even though if anything it provides evidence to the opposite". If you didn't get that then you clearly haven't actually been reading my posts, which is your choice, but it's a bit annoying that you're essentially ignoring what I'm saying and continuing to lengthily reply to me...

AVirginLitTheCandle · 29/10/2016 17:20

until you stop saying that it isn't as bad.

Except it isn't as bad.

However that is not the same thing as saying that it is fine for women to go around hitting men or for anyone to go around bullying people bigger than them.

AVirginLitTheCandle · 29/10/2016 17:26

Would you accept the "they where smaller" excuse from a school?

Nope.

I would expect them to be dealt with. I would also kick up a fuss if they weren't and were just going to fob me off with "but they're smaller."

It is not contradictory with believing that it is worse to bully someone smaller than you than it is to bully someone bigger than you.

Or from where a smaller man hits a woman?

A smaller man is still a man, no? Therefore he's still going to be physically stronger than the vast majority of women.

I spent a good chunk of my school life being hit by smaller boys and girls, the standard response was "well they are smaller"or "you don't hit girls back"

And that was wrong and they should have been disciplined for their actions.

Redsrule · 29/10/2016 17:33

Apologies if wrong, I got the impression it was witnessed from OP writing other people said he deserved it. I couldn't imagine anyone telling numerous colleagues they had slapped someone.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/10/2016 17:42

Such a shame that op hasn't told anyone what happened

To be fair, I doubt OP knows exactly what happened; like everyone else she wasn't there, so all anyone's got is the admission from a now-regretful young woman that she hit a workmate, and a (probably highly edited) account of how he's supposed to "deserve it"

For that matter, how did other colleagues come to share their views that he'd effectively got it coming? In fact why was it discussed with others at all (except possibly management)? I'm sure it's provided a bit of excitement for those not involved, but given the potential for this to blow up very nastily, maybe it would be best for everyone to calm down and consider how they might behave more professionally in future

BoneyBackJefferson · 29/10/2016 18:03

AVirginLitTheCandle

"It is not contradictory with believing that it is worse to bully someone smaller than you than it is to bully someone bigger than you."

Of course it is contradictory.

AVirginLitTheCandle · 29/10/2016 18:04

No it isn't.

AVirginLitTheCandle · 29/10/2016 18:13

You're still only quoting parts of my posts and ignoring the rest. Funny that.

Italiangreyhound · 29/10/2016 18:13

BoneyBackJefferson I don't remember that but I am very sorry I'd so misrepresented anything you said. As this thread is moving very fast it is hard to keep up but please accept my sincere apologies, I was not intending to do anything misrepresentarional.

Italiangreyhound · 29/10/2016 18:17

Boney those experiences sound awful. Very sorry. There is no excuse for bullying.

itscrewtheotheeway I have been reading your posts. I am attempting here to clarify my own position and not yours. Can we drop this topic now, please, we do not appear to be getting anywhere. Could we please agree to differ? Smile

BoneyBackJefferson · 29/10/2016 18:39

AVirginLitTheCandle

So those that have MH problems due to being bullied and assaulted by girls or women have an easier time of it that the opposite?

Do these people actually exist as being hit by someone smaller or female is not as bad therefore wouldn't trigger MH problems?

Should a boy that hits a girl be excluded from school but a girl just get a 30 minute detention for doing the same?

TaterTots · 29/10/2016 18:45

Except it isn't as bad.

Is this belligerence or are you just thick?

AVirginLitTheCandle · 29/10/2016 18:48

So those that have MH problems due to being bullied and assaulted by girls or women have an easier time of it that the opposite?

No.

AVirginLitTheCandle · 29/10/2016 18:50

are you just thick?

Not sure tbh.

I am autistic and can have a very black and white simplistic view on things sometimes.

I guess to some people that would make me thick and they're entitled to think that I guess.

TaterTots · 29/10/2016 18:54

How ironic from the woman complaining about being 'quoted out of context'.

AVirginLitTheCandle · 29/10/2016 18:56

Except I was being quoted out of context.

I also said everyone is entitled to think what they like with regards as to whether I'm thick or not.

BoneyBackJefferson · 29/10/2016 19:13

Candle

You are saying that violence (bullying etc.) is bad but it is worse to be bullied/hit by a man (even a small man) than it is to be bullied/hit by a woman.

I disagree, I believe that all violence (bullying etc.) is bad and it doesn't matter what size, shape, gender or sex the person doing the hitting (bullying etc.) is.

AVirginLitTheCandle · 29/10/2016 19:42

I believe that all violence (bullying etc.) is bad and it doesn't matter what size, shape, gender or sex the person doing the hitting (bullying etc.) is.

As do I and I've said as much about 50 times on this thread.

HeyOverHere · 29/10/2016 20:00

Unless he was being physical with her at the time, and she slapped in a desperate attempt to stop him, she was being way over the line. However, if he's going to be a pusher and a shover, he should be able to take as well as give. I hope his silence was because he suddenly realized what an ass he had been, and not because he was deciding how to get her back for it.

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