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To think it's taking the piss for a bloke on remand accused of double rape to decide he is a woman?

243 replies

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 28/10/2016 12:43

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/sex-gender-change-pomont-9141800.amp?client=ms-android-google

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Amalfimamma · 29/10/2016 13:44

Italy opened a prison for transgender criminals in 2010

That project at Pozzale never actually got.off the ground and unless trans have undergone GRS in Italy they are sent to their births sex prison

WomanWithAltitude · 29/10/2016 13:46

Yanbu at all.

This man is essentially using the justive system to allow him to commit further abuse. Outing female officers in a position where they have to perform intimate searches etc and have no right ro refuse is abuse - he's getting a kick out of it.

Amalfimamma · 29/10/2016 13:47

I don't see how allegedly violently raping women with your penis fits in with someone wanting to be a woman.

well according to some mtf if lesbians refuse to have sex with mtf pre GRS are transphobes

QueenArseClangers · 29/10/2016 14:41

I've shared this before but this is a blog written by a lovely transwoman I know.
Helen's been called a 'truscum' a 'terf' and all sorts for questioning the self identifying trans agenda.

www.aguycalledhelen.com/2016/08/28/whats-my-deal/

2kids2dogsnosense · 29/10/2016 16:15

Thank you Queen Arse

fakenamefornow · 29/10/2016 16:48

Have there been any cases of FtM trans offenders being sent to a male prison?

I can't imagine anyone except the most convincing, post op, trans man would think this was a good idea. Anyone who still had a virginia would just be raped in there.

Astley · 29/10/2016 17:18

If you have a penis, you are a man.

Feeling like a woman does not a woman make.

For the love of God, any rational person must see how ridiculous this is getting. How long before we have a grown man saying they feel like a child and being allowed back to primary school to spend some quality time with the children.

JedRambosteen · 29/10/2016 17:21

Does anyone have a link about Stephoknee handy for Astley?

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 29/10/2016 17:25

Stephoknee

JedRambosteen · 29/10/2016 17:27

Thanks Prawn!

Amalfimamma · 29/10/2016 17:27

How long before we have a grown man saying they feel like a child

It's already happening. Stefonknee wolscht is a grown man who plays at being a 6 year old girl and has an incestuous relationship with his adoptive father.

To think it's taking the piss for a bloke on remand accused of double rape to decide he is a woman?
Amalfimamma · 29/10/2016 17:28

X post with great minds 😂

bumblebee50 · 29/10/2016 17:31

I really don't see the issue - if he wants to be female then let him. He can fully transition to be a woman and have his penis removed - issue solved all round I would say. That would seriously teach him.

thatsn0tmyname · 29/10/2016 17:35

He committed the crime as a man, he should be tried and convicted as a man.

HermioneWeasley · 29/10/2016 17:37

bumblebee except he would still retain male size and strength and a tendency to sexual violence. There is a post op MTT in a Californian women's prison and there are accounts of him object raping female inmates.

Only women in women's spaces . This is apparently a highly radical position to hold.

Astley · 29/10/2016 17:38

That is seriously disturbing.

I'm never going to tell my children they can be anything they want ever again Halloween Grin

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 29/10/2016 17:41

There's a sad but interesting article on the blog 4th Wave Now called "Shrinking to Survive" by a detransitioned transman writing about living inside the bubble of queer youth culture. The beliefs she followed seem so bizarre yet were universally accepted within her circle. DFAB privilege held that born women had lifelong privilege over transwomen. Transmen were held to have, and to have always had, male privilege. Transwomen, therefore, were the most oppressed always and regardless of their behaviour. Their interests must always come first.

Incidents of rape or violence were ignored or reframed, with victims told to check their privilege. Anyone who reported predatory behaviour by transwomen was ruthlessly ostracized. She describes how if your relationship with a transwoman is defined as equal and lesbian it takes considerable time to realise that what you're experiencing is good old-fashioned male violence, violence that your whole circle denies is even possible.

ElizabethHoney · 29/10/2016 17:51

Body searches should have to be done by someone who is the same physical (external) sex as the person who is being searched. This is an area where it's irrelevant which gender the person identifies as.

Inertia · 29/10/2016 18:09

Yet another example of biological males, including those convicted of and charged with rape and violence against women, to gain free access to vulnerable and unprotected women.

It's astonishing how readily the prospect of being incarcerated as a sex offender in a male prison makes these men realise that they suddenly feel like women. Almost as if they are completely and utterly taking the piss out of a system falling over itself to put the delicate feelings of biological men with criminal convictions for rape and assault ahead of the safety of women.

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 29/10/2016 18:11

astly

Grin

Yeah, and look whats happening with trump

"You can be anything you want to be sweetheart"

Nope, nope, nope

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 29/10/2016 18:11

I am sure i read an article once about a trans man who had been raped by a trans woman

It was very sad

WinchesterWoman · 29/10/2016 18:18

Was in tears this morning watching suffragette. To think it has come to this.

BarbaraofSeville · 29/10/2016 19:13

I know someone who is somewhere in the process of MTF transgender reassignment (admittedly have not seen her in some years as lost touch/moved area, but we are still FB friends and she communicates lots of news about her transition via FB).

As a man, this person was a strapping six footer and then some, and participated in lots of sports. Obviously going to be physically stronger than most women whatever gender and sex he/she is.

If this person was a violent sex offender convicted of rape as a man, even as a woman she is going to present a threat to weaker vulnerable women in a prison environment.

Apologies if I have not used correct language. People are people as far as I'm concerned. I don't care. But it just seems a little too convenient for sex offenders with penises to try to join in with 'I identify as a woman' in an attempt to be imprisoned with women, who are mostly vulnerable and in prison for often seemingly minor crimes.

People with penises commit the vast majority of crime and a disproportionate amount of violent crime. I'm not saying that people with vaginas do not commit violent crime and I'm sure that there are people with vaginas that have raped people with penises when you use the definition of forcibly insertion of objects but the vast majority of offences will have used a human penis, so that is how people have to be segregated.

It has always been the norm that changing rooms, toilets and prisons are segregated to male or female and it seems that the right now the rights of a small percentage are being prioritised over half the population that have often been treated as second priority.

HeyOverHere · 29/10/2016 19:50

He doesn't fucking "decide" he's a woman. He realizes he is one and transitions. And if he's faking it to try and get around justice, he's scum.

HeyOverHere · 29/10/2016 19:51

Unless you're trans and particularly sensitive to anything and everything on this topic, please skip to this kind of shit earlier on in future so we can stop taking you seriously and save everyone a lot of time.

Bull. You don't have to be trans to give a shit about trans issues, or to know transphobia when you see it. And it's certainly not "particularly sensitive" to dislike transphobia!