To think it's taking the piss for a bloke on remand accused of double rape to decide he is a woman?

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Who is anyone to say he's not transgender and other people are, when it isn't clearly defined?

This^ I'm waiting for TRAs to descend on this thread, call us all TERFS and transplain that of course this individual is trans, they identify as a woman, and that is that.

You do realise that making that distinction would be seen as transphobic by many, Edmund?

yyy^ to those 3 points Madame

I can't think of a more effective place to be for a serial rapist who wanted to access vulnerable women in order to continue to rape than being inside a women's prison.

Surprised there aren't more of these sudden transitions in police custody.

I agree with above post that this sort of thing is hurting actual trans people as well as, of course, women. Fine, put this person on segregation wing if he/she wishes but I don't think female staff should have to do rubdowns etc.

Some people do get off on making life as difficult for everyone else as they can.

Rape is penis specific and not male specific, so being a female wouldn't make some one not guilty as long as they used a penis to penetrate someone else's vagina, anus or mouth.

In this case, it was obviously the person's own penis, but a female who has never had a penis can commit rape with the penis of someone else. This would be by joint enterprise, for instance if they hold the person down while the other person penetrates them with their penis.

steal sadly I think it's something we will begin to see more of.

Again. It's horrifying. And again real women are victimized so as not to upset men.

And this is precisely why many women are pushing back against the government considering bringing in self-identity laws. In Ireland and some other countries, they have Gender Self-identity laws. At the moment, in order to legally change 'gender' (sex in old money) a person has to have 'lived' as the opposite gender for 2 years, undergone some form of medical treatment (usually hormones) and been assessed by a psychologist and had counselling.

Self-identity will do away with all of that and mean that men like the one above can (and will) just say that they 'feel' like a woman and they can apply for a GRC by completing a form and paying a fee. No checks, no balances, no way of proving if they are genuine or not.

This rapist will have a free pass to legally become a woman, just because he says so.

I understand if one is genuinely suffering from gender dysphoria that self-identity laws would be helpful in cutting out red tape, but the possibility for abuse is staggering. Anyone who wants to would be able to enter female only spaces (not just toilets, but communal changing rooms, rape crisis centres, DV shelters etc) by just filling in an online form. Predatory men will take advantage of it. And women prisoners and the female prison officers now required to do body searches on this man would have no legal recourse under which to say no.

The women pushing back against this aren't doing it becuase they are hateful TERFY transphobic bigots. They are doing it becuase this law will make a mockery of what it means to be female and leave a lotm of women very vulnerable to male violence.

#Iamstillspartacus

Yesterday again trams rights trump women's right to be safe just like that boy who took his 6th form to court and now is allowed change with the girls ffs

venusinscorpio, what distinction?

This shouldn't have to be about how to define trans, whether we are TERFs etc, it should be about recognising that you shouldn't give one group of people rights at the expense of another. If someone wishes to identify as trans (and I have a trans relative) that's fine - but they do not get to trample over the rights of other people. Female prisoners have the right not to be locked up with someone who is physically male. If that means the trans prisoner has to be imprisoned separately then are we potentially looking at separate wings in prisons (if the money is there)? And the prison officers will need an answer as to how you match up the prisoner's right to be treated as a woman with the fact they are physically male. They should not be placed at any additional risk in what must already be a very stressful and risky job.

I support trans rights but think this man is exploiting the emotive issue to gain access to vulnerable women to abuse.

I do think current laws are a bit contradictionary (live as a woman but can't use women's facilities) but I agree it's wrong that anyone can just decide to legally change gender on a whim without any long term process first.

The women pushing back against this aren't doing it becuase they are hateful TERFY transphobic bigots. They are doing it becuase this law will make a mockery of what it means to be female and leave a lotm of women very vulnerable to male violence.
#Iamstillspartacus

Absolutely

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Fixed that for you

I agree with above post that this sort of thing is hurting actual trans people as well as, of course, women

Totally agree. Have posted before about my childhood friend who has been FTM transgender for 20 years. Transgender people like him were minding their own business with - on the whole - very little hassle until the wave of TA overtook them. Now their lives have become politicised and their every movement scrutinised by both sides. They are a totally different group of people from the new style shouty TAs prepared to trample over everyone else's rights in search of their own validation.

Edmund, that if someone says they are a woman and have a female penis, then they are a woman and must be allowed access to all female sex segregated facilities and treated like a woman at all times. You are singling out this individual and saying they have no right to be treated as a woman. That's transphobic.

YANBU. He sounds like a sociopath/misogynist who realised he can get access to a female prison and they cant stop him.

YANBU at all

This is going to be more common now that you can be a woman without the surgery. FOL.

So those who call anyone questioning this transphobic - how do you propose to ensure the rights of vulnerable women? What's the answer to this situation that treats everybody fairly?

poster OOAOML Fri 28-Oct-16 13:37:31

Thing is they don't need special prisons

Every male jail has a vunrable prisoners unit that houses usually young offenders or kidddy fiddlers and I can't imagine they would want to sexually abuse trans prisoners

and it's laughable that just because we are known as the gental see that woman would except a trans prisoner personally I know if o was looking at long stretch and they put a trans prisoner in my block I may be looking to get pregnant bet they haven't thought of that*

A friend is a female prison officer and has dealt with exactly this situation. She volunteered to do searches rather than witness some of her colleagues being compelled to do so and told the Governor that "I have a horse; his willy won't scare me...."

I'm not sure there is anyone who really thinks questioning this is transphobic. I just wanted to clarify that woolly thinking about it will inevitably lead to this happening.

poster venusinscorpio Fri 28-Oct-16 13:43:58
Edmund, that if someone says they are a woman and have a female penis, then they are a woman and must be allowed access to all female sex segregated facilities and treated like a woman at all times. You are singling out this individual and saying they have no right to be treated as a woman. That's transphobic

wtf is a female penis just asked dh who is a nurse there is no such thing so this is it mumnetters people are now making words up for gentials dear lord 😳😱🤔

Anyone on the thread, I mean. There certainly are people who think questioning anyone about their trans status is transphobic.

venusinscorpio, I think you are either being deliberately argumentative or have been spending too much time on tumblr. Anyway, only took a couple of pages to distract from the point in question and phrases like 'real women' to turn up.