To think it's taking the piss for a bloke on remand accused of double rape to decide he is a woman?

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YY Yakitori.

Put the bastard in solitary, in a male prison and only let him out for meals. It is a joke and nothing to do with gay rights or trans rights. It should be about the rights of the women he attacked.

poster myownprivateidaho Fri 28-Oct-16 14:58:19
Pretty much every post on this thread is transphobic imo. It actually makes me tearful. I don't know. I guess this was what gay rights discussions were like 20-30 years ago. Hopefully in 20-30 years time things will have moved on. Anyway, I'm logging off this thread as I'm finding the hate overwhelming.
what that women don't want other women to be raped by a rapist or don't want men who see a woman's prison as a easy ride to use the system

It's one thing to dress and look like a women but you don't get to trump my rights as a woman I can no longer use the loos with out a fucking man I can't send my daughter to school without some twant saying that any boy who has decided today he wants to be a boy should share showers and changing rooms
Now you can't even be banged up with out some fucker trying to envade the space

i wouldn't have been so bad if he had not committed his crime against women but seeing how he has a female jail might not be good for all Invloved if he dose rape someone in there there be saying he couldn't help himself next🙄

So now it's transphobic to object about a rapist should be allowed to be in a prison with women. We should just jump up and say "why of course you can"

I see your tears and raise you my hysteria.

Hysteria that the world is going slowly bonkers.

these comments are not "transphobic" Idaho

They are pro-women.

Anyone who is genuinely trans will get a lot of support here. It's the arseholes who see it as a way of bucking the system that are worrying - especially as their "rights" seem to take precedence over those of the women they are inflicting their presence on.

Next they will suggesting kiddy fiddlers would be safe around kids left "safe guards" be put in place

I actually can't believe that I am hearing that people think it would be fine for a man who's raped women to be locked up with women no doubt if he's able to manipulate the rules he would make short shrift of any women who would be ex drug users , working girls Ect

Thefishewife of course there is no such thing as a 'female penis' , sometimes referred to as a 'shenis'. It's just a term used by some (hopefully a minority)men describing themselves as transwomen or transbians. The desired end game is to persuade lesbians to sleep with them. AKA the cotton ceiling.
And just to be clear, no not all transwomen do this. I'm sure many would be disgusted and horrified by this kind of behaviour.

Utter rubbish idaho
Can I just address the whole prisons/ male v female estate issue and the profile of prisoners.
Men and women offenders are completely different in the every way you can imagine. From the numbers, to their crimes the length of time they're imprisoned for- anything you know about prisons and prisoners, if it's based on Men's prisons is likely to be completely irrelevant to women's.
Women offenders are disproportionately likely to have been victims of abuse including rape. They much less likely to be violent than men prisoners. Womens prisons don't have the same structures and procedures to protect women from other- because newsflash! women, even prisoners don't tend to attack and rape each other!

There needs to be a clear definition of transgender in law so we all know where we stand and people can't pull this kind of damaging shit anymore

There is. It involves 2 years of living as the opposite sex, name changing etc then receiving hormone treatment under a doctor. That wasn't perfect but it ensured that people were committed to the change of identity before receiving any rights usually reserved for the opposite sex. It also acknowledged that there is something to transition from and to - that trans people aren't actually the sex they want to be on the inside and they need to transition to that role.
Outcry over 'gatekeeping' and nonsense over 'non binary' identities, female penises, trans women having beards and taking no artificial hormones and the goal of 'self identification' has destroyed the previous clear definition of being transgender and created this total chaos of a shitstorm that renders the terms man, woman and trans all completely meaningless.

Totally agree Poldark.

Another factor in this is how this crime will be recorded.

Let's say he's convicted (don't most rape prosecutions fail anyway though) how will that crime then be recorded? Will it be recorded as being committed by a woman? Now the number of women commiting rape in Scotland must be tiny (if any) this one person could make a huge difference to female offending statistics.

"It involves 2 years of living as the opposite sex, name changing etc then receiving hormone treatment under a doctor.*

According to the gender recognition act (2004).

According to the equality act (2010)

"A person has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment if the person is proposing to undergo, is undergoing or has undergone a process (or part of a process) for the purpose of reassigning the person's sex by changing physiological or other attributes of sex."

What annoys me about this is that certain people are falling over themselves to say it's ok. Why can trans activists not acknowledge that some unsavoury people will use self-identification for their own ends? Why are they not standing alongside women on this issue and saying 'enough is enough. We don't want genuine trans people tarred with this brush.' Their failure to do so is partly to blame for this growing disaster.

Because they are hoist with their own petard. They can't say this guy isn't trans, when they are pushing for complete self-identification.

I think the issue is that there are trans activists who want one extreme, then as a reaction to that other very vocal people want the other extreme, it's those two groups who battle it out in a public way.

Most trans people just want to go about their lives not causing an issue at all.

It's difficult to align wholeheartedly with either side because there are such extremes and so they just keep their heads down and stay out of it.

For example although I agreed with a lot of what was said on the I am spartacus thread I couldn't stand alongside those on it because of the view that transgender people shouldn't be called the pronoun of their choice.

That sort of attitude makes it difficult to speak up, just as the attitude that you can saunter into work one day and declare you're a woman with a beard who wants to use women's showers makes it difficult to speak up for the trans activists.

My family just wants to stay the hell out of it all and get on with out own lives.

It's tricky to get a balance until people find a middle ground and start speaking up for that.

Plus, they don't care. It's collateral damage for their glorious cause.

I don't think not wanting male bodied transwomen in women's spaces is an extreme position.

Why can trans activists not acknowledge that some unsavoury people will use self-identification for their own ends? Why are they not standing alongside women on this issue and saying 'enough is enough. We don't want genuine trans people tarred with this brush.' Their failure to do so is partly to blame for this growing disaster.

Because the most vocal TAs simply don't care if women are harmed. They just say 'clearly not a genuine trans person' or 'perverts are going to attack women regardless of which bathroom they are allowed to use'. I've seen it myself.

We are just collateral damage to them. Once their aims are achieved that's all that matters.

I am not going to call a male rapist she. That was the whole point of the Spartacus thread.

I don't think not wanting male bodied transwomen in women's spaces is an extreme position.

Neither do I, its extreme for trans activists to want people to self identify on a total whim and demand things based on nothing more than a slight feeling one day.

No argument there. I wasn't sure what you meant by the opposite extreme position.

People on the spartacus thread were saying they wouldn't call any trans women she, or trans men he.

I do understand the reaction to the trans activists and why feeling is so strong about it all, but just as women are the 'collateral damage' from their views, people like my relative are the 'collateral damage' from the opposing view.

It is a difficult position for the average trans person to be in.

Elsa - no, they weren't. You've missed the point of the thread.

Most "Spartacus" posters were saying that they would in almost every case use a person's preferred pronouns, but that it was not possible for a man to become a woman, or a woman to become a man. It's a biological impossibility.