To continue to wonder who is happy with where Brexit is heading

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Whilst I'm sure Leavers will undoubtedly think AIBU the last thread filled up so here's another 1000 opportunities to discuss what you think about where Brexit is heading.

Olympia As I mentioned earlier, first of all the blocking made my Wallonia was solved very quickly. CETA has now been approved with a few exemptions for Wallonia. Exemptions that would, tbh, be good to have included in the entire trade deal if it had been possible, as they protect the environment and food standards. But this was not something many countries in theEU, including prominently the UK, were concerned with during negotiations. There are always stumbling blocks when negotiating trade deals and the U.K. Will have its own stumbling blocks when negotiating. Of course the EU system is far from perfect, but this does not mean that it's not on balance he best option there is, or that the UK on its own will be in a better position. As most industry backed remain, it would appear that business wise it clearly won't

Do you really think that other countries, eg Canada or the US, will be more willing to make deals that are beneficial to the UK than to the entire EU block? Which market do you think it's most attractive to gain entry to? One little country or an entire block of countries? Not only that, the U.K. Had largely led the effort to negotiate CETA and TTIP, they are formed just the way the UK wanted, but now the Brits will it get anything out of these deals once they'r made and will have to start all over on their own.

Ah, yes. All those regulations and directives to prevent people exploiting their workers. Wicked, evil Working Time Directive......

And as for all those Health and Safety regulations...........

Life calls.....enjoyed my swift half!

And as for all those Health and Safety regulations...........

Red tape, don't need it, until it's your husband or son who is killed and then it's "Why didn't they do something about it?"

Funny how that always happens at awkward moments.......

olympia of course immigrant workers should not be paid less than local workers. But if you restrict freedom of movement then all those industries reliant on cheap immigrant labour will be harmed , and this will in turn harm the economy and social services as well as create a huge potential for illegal immigration to fill these gaps. Of course, the U.K. Could decide to simply treat all workers properly and pay them fairly, but given that people have voted for a conservative government who has no interest in this and is mainly concerned with improving financial growth of businesses, it seems unlikely that it what the government will do and that that is what most people want.

Talking in of Canada's deal with the EU, I notice Trudeau was very pointed about what happens when you work together for everyone's benefit.

This is something lacking in a lot of the bluster from the government and leavers. Yeah sure we want all these great deals, but we forget we also need to benefit them.

We forget they also need to benefit from them

Life calls.....enjoyed my swift half

Interesting that olympia thought this was the Brexit pub thread- kind of proves the point about not letting facts get in the way of thinking something doesn't it?

It's not eu or uk for America and the rest of the world. It's both. Deals can be done simultaneously once we are out of the eu.

The rest of the world doesn't have to choose.

Bertrand The working time directive is a benefit to exploited workers but as demonstrated by the sports direct fiasco, we are perfectly capable of sorting such problems out.

I had to sign a disclaimer when I wanted to work a 70 hour week. Just think of all the time and money that went into the WTD, the negotions for 'exceptions, like me, the HR departments consulting their legal team to work out a disclaimer. What a waste of time and money. The WTD is a blunt instrument and could have been better done. Anyway, that's why we have unions!

One law would be the Scottish imposition of a minimum price on alcohol for a country with horrendous health and social problems due to alcohol abuse.

I'm guessing that's one you would to see implemented?

And that one is going potentially going ahead though? The European Court of Justice said that although it breaches EU free-trade laws it could be justified on health grounds on the basis that it would have to be more effective than using general taxation. The ECJ referred it back to the Scottish High Courts which ruled in favour of the Government's plans. Of course, the Scottish Whisky Association can still appeal to the UK Supreme Court.

Mind you, if it goes ahead I can see bus loads of Weegies making it across the border and stocking up on Buckie.

Business won't need to be tied to unnecessary EU rules and regs unless they do business with the EU. (Currently all businesses do)
What unnecessary rules and regs? How much of a problem is this? Much EU regulation is in the interests of workers.

We won't need to pay more in than we get out of the EU.
However we may need to pay vastly more by way of tariffs and other trading costs we are now exempt from.

Our security would be increased as we would have control of our borders.
We already have control of our borders. We may not have access to vital information from European intelligence and policing services after leaving the EU.

We would be able to support research, deprived communities etc in our own country
We could do these things now – why don’t we? And scientific research is already being adversely affected, even before we have left the EU.

We would allow workers to come to areas in a controlled way, so that schools and hospitals aren't overwhelmed.
This is currently a failing of our government in not anticipating a need for provision, or blatantly ignoring an existing need. The NHS would be on its knees without immigrant workers.

The workers who come here would be paid minimum/living wage and be housed in good conditions with access to schools and health facilities.
It’s not the fault of the EU that this is not happening now. It’s our fault.

We would have control of our own laws again
We have never not had control of our own laws.

We would be free to negotiate favourable trade deals with other countries
We already have a favourable trade deal with the biggest trading bloc in the world, and with other countries through it. What better deal or deals could we negotiate? With whom?

Is it only me that doesn't understand why that meme is relevant?

It's not eu or uk for America and the rest of the world. It's both.

That's not strictly true. When we leave the eu we become a competitor. That doesn't mean that trade can't happen with both or that deals can't be struck but a deal with nation x and the eu benefits them all, so any deal with us and nation x has to also benefit nation x. TBH we wouldn't want a deal like nation x has with the eu because what the eu benefits from won't be what we have any or need. This is why trade deals take so effing long.

Olympia, no ones saying the world has to choose between the EU and the U.K. For trade deals, merely pointing out that the deals that the UK Have access to as part of the EU are pretty good and to unlikely you'll get better deals bilaterally.

If it wasn't for the WTD you wouldn't have had to sign a disclaimer. Imagine how
Many employers would
Love to overwork people if there are no rules to protect them.

I think the big difference between the leavers and the remainers is that the leavers are the optimists and the remainers are pessimists. The remainers need the security blanket of the EU and are afraid of the big wide world The U.K. is entrepreneurial, free thinking and open minded and we've been channelled into the narrow, beaurocratic world of Europe for too long

China, America, India, Australia, Brazil, Africa ...... Probably a few more out there

(Yes, I know Africa is a continent but it has too many countries to mention)

olympia I'm not too sure why you needed to post that comment again.

You can make out you're a big girl who doesn't need a comfort blanket all you like but it doesn't change the facts which are that every one of your arguments for Leaving has been dissected and doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

The remainers need the security blanket of the EU and are afraid of the big wide world
Do you think putting something in bold gives extra credence to your trite nonsense?
Stephen Hawking, Benedict Cumberbatch, JK Rowling (to give just 3 examples)... all clearly afraid of the big bad world
Why don't you take your ridiculous assertions over to the Brexiteers Arms or whatever it's called, where you can come out with shit like this unchallenged?

I think Olympia was bolding the bit about the security blanket to explain the meme (Lucy whipping away Linus's security blanket).

Bear. Only by you and the remainers. I don't buy any of your arguments either if you want to know.

Just because you say my arguments have been rubished doesn't actually make it the truth. It is the thrush as you see it, but that's not quite not the same.

Personally I'm fed up with the minority trying to discredit the majority at all costs. But carry on please....

free thinking and open minded
Unless you want to talk in absolutes rather than feelings, and perhaps if you're foreign. In which case the UK is exceptionally narrow minded and I'm not sure thinking comes into it.

The U.K. is entrepreneurial,
It might have been 100 years ago, I don't think it is now.

free thinking and open minded Since 24th June we have see just how narrrow and closed minded a majority are, who are not racist, but.... You could have fooled me.

olympia, you can't make something a fact just because you say it is so.

People can only discredit points that are incorrect or have no substance.

Most of what you've said is wishful thinking and rhetoric, there's no indication any of it will happen.

Much could have been done whilst we were in the EU but it wasn't and leaving the EU won't change that.