To continue to wonder who is happy with where Brexit is heading

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Whilst I'm sure Leavers will undoubtedly think AIBU the last thread filled up so here's another 1000 opportunities to discuss what you think about where Brexit is heading.

Ok, so I'm trying very hard to be a bit more lighthearted with this but seriously, why is it when someone says 'it will be glorious' you leavers all go into raptures?

You saying 'it will be glorious' does not make it so.

Can you guys really not communicate with each other without it being in ra ra ra catchphrases and rhetoric?

Please can someone list 3 'glorious' things about leaving the EU and 3 consequences that we'll find a 'glorious' solution to.

well I have said it before and I will say it again, I am thrilled to be leaving the EU and the union.

I don't like it or agree with any of it - the main principle of it nor the various parts in practice of it.
I can however understand why other countries on the continent feel better in it - but for us - as a nation as the EU stands now - what it has morphed into is the wrong thing for our country and thankfully enough people feel the same as me.
I can understand for people who need to feel more secure why this may be hard to understand, but I felt equally anxious tied to the EU.

well I have said it before and I will say it again, I am thrilled to be leaving the EU and the union.

I don't like it or agree with any of it - the main principle of it nor the various parts in practice of it.
I can however understand why other countries on the continent feel better in it - but for us - as a nation as the EU stands now - what it has morphed into is the wrong thing for our country and thankfully enough people feel the same as me.
I can understand for people who need to feel more secure why this may be hard to understand, but I felt equally anxious tied to the EU.

well I have said it before and I will say it again, I am thrilled to be leaving the EU and the union.

I don't like it or agree with any of it - the main principle of it nor the various parts in practice of it.
I can however understand why other countries on the continent feel better in it - but for us - as a nation as the EU stands now - what it has morphed into is the wrong thing for our country and thankfully enough people feel the same as me.
I can understand for people who need to feel more secure why this may be hard to understand, but I felt equally anxious tied to the EU.

well I have said it before and I will say it again, I am thrilled to be leaving the EU and the union.

I don't like it or agree with any of it - the main principle of it nor the various parts in practice of it.
I can however understand why other countries on the continent feel better in it - but for us - as a nation as the EU stands now - what it has morphed into is the wrong thing for our country and thankfully enough people feel the same as me.
I can understand for people who need to feel more secure why this may be hard to understand, but I felt equally anxious tied to the EU.

well I have said it before and I will say it again, I am thrilled to be leaving the EU and the union.

I don't like it or agree with any of it - the main principle of it nor the various parts in practice of it.
I can however understand why other countries on the continent feel better in it - but for us - as a nation as the EU stands now - what it has morphed into is the wrong thing for our country and thankfully enough people feel the same as me.
I can understand for people who need to feel more secure why this may be hard to understand, but I felt equally anxious tied to the EU.

Please can someone list 3 'glorious' things about leaving the EU and 3 consequences that we'll find a 'glorious' solution to.

I really dislike the way that question is phrased, i dont need a long list I only need one - TO BE FREE OF THE EU.

i dont know why multiple posting is happening sorry!

You saying 'it will be glorious' does not make it so

Ok lets flip this it on its head,.

What is so glorious about a complicated 7 year trade deal being held up to the point of collapse by a province within a country?

Lol- you said it 5 times autumn!

None of them actually have any substance but multiple posts must count for something.

Could you make a stab at 3 positive things and 3 we'll have sort out but will still be glorious when we leave the EU?

autumn, I don't deny the eu isnt without its flaws but I do struggle to see the overall benefit in leaving.

Autumn haste thee hither

^^ Bloody hell, it is actually a self appreciation cult isn't it

TO BE FREE OF THE EU.

Without context and reasons why that's just narrow minded bullshit.

That's all it is though for some. It really is a cult.

Lol- you said it 5 times autumn!

well I did say I would say it again

Without context and reasons why that's just narrow minded bullshit

yes I appreciate on its own it may sound like that. But any one does of course, I mean we cant give the years of knowledge and personal experience we build up to come to those conclusions.

i mean we cant give the years of knowledge and personal experience we build up to come to those conclusions

Why can't you share any of those thoughts?

I think it would be boring to read to be honest,

I really don't need to know 30 years of personal education, thoughts and experience of remain voters to tell me why they want to remain.
Thats their business, your business, its not for me to read your life story - then decide to drill down into it and tell you why I think your wrong, Its your business not mine,

Luckily for me its also irrelevant because thankfully the vote went my way. Also luckily for me, I do understand why remainers I know wanted remain. Their feelings and wants and needs from their country are valid just as mine are, but thats voting for you, it went my - Leavers way. But then again thats a huge reason why I voted leave - because I believe in such things.

I think it would be boring to read to be honest,

I really don't need to know 30 years of personal education, thoughts and experience of remain voters to tell me why they want to remain.
Thats their business, your business, its not for me to read your life story - then decide to drill down into it and tell you why I think your wrong, Its your business not mine,

Luckily for me its also irrelevant because thankfully the vote went my way. Also luckily for me, I do understand why remainers I know wanted remain. Their feelings and wants and needs from their country are valid just as mine are, but thats voting for you, it went my - Leavers way. But then again thats a huge reason why I voted leave - because I believe in such things.

Mumzy if it ends up with a 'hard' Brexit, then borders will be closed, most likely to anyone who's not high up skilled (earning more than 30.000). This will massively harden the industries dependent on low-skilled EU immigrant labour: the NHS, agricultural sector and entire hospitality sector. These sectors are saying so themselves and lobbying the government not to close the door on low skilled away labour. But reducing migration was a main reason for Brexit, and May committed herself to her unachiavable net migration target, so will most likely have to restrict low-skilled EU migration. And what will Thai create? A massive potential for increased illegal EU-migration, somethings it'll be v hard to control, as it's unlikely there'll be a visa requirement for EU- citizens, given that would mean British people would also have to get visas to go to Europe. And no one wants to have to do that, so they? So it's a loose loose situation. The sectors will end up exploiting illegal immigrants or braking down due to lack of staff. And that's just the migration aspect of this terrible mess.

So yes, borders will be closing to a certain extent and no, people did NOT travel and work as easily in other EU countries before the EU.

Sorry was meant to be highly skilled and harm not harden, and *immigwant not away

London Won't it be British residents who take up those low skilled jobs when the immigrants can't?

A cult - seriously?

We're getting into shallow waters here.. some people need to start listening with their ears.

autumn your post seems to be mainly about feelings. Jobs, economy, migration and foreign policy does not care about your feelings. Please just look at reality:

• how will the UK make better trade deals on its own than the shared EU-trade deals it had access to before? Do you really think that the US, Canada or any other country is likely to give a better deal to one little country, UK, than the entire EU block? Do you think that the few countries that the EU does not have deals with yet will be more willing to make deals with the UK? Chief among them are India, which has a strong historical resentment for the UK and is notoriously protectionist, just to give you an example.

And FYI, CETA has now been agreed, with a few exemptions for Wallonia, exemptions that should in fact have been agreed for the entire deal imo, as they protect the environment and food standards, amongst other things. Yes, I agree that the Wallonia incident showed yet another problem with the workings of the EU, but he fact that the EU is not perfect does not mean it's not worth being part of and on balance the best alternative right now. When it comes to politics there are no perfect solutions, and you should always be deeply suspicious of the people who sell you the fanatsies that there are. The fact that the This issue was solved quite quickly should reassure you that the EU actually works comparatively well. The most ironic thing is that CETA was massively UK lead, and is a very liberal free market deal, right up the street of the current UK majority government. The EU as it is now is massively free market oriented, largely due to the UK's pressure in this direction. It seems that the British people does not want the same thing as their government and yet this government is a majority government and leading in the polls. Brexit is a result of the massively unrepresentative past the post system, which has created now in reality a one party nation, where the governing party is split in two. The smallest part of this governing party essentially succeeded with a coup against the majority of the party, and in be process managed to fool the majority of the voters to believe their utter lies and fairy tales. The Brexiters in power (apart from a few die hard eurosceptics like Davies and Fox) do not give on hoot about us normal people, they just wanted the power in the Conservative party. and they got it now, tot he detriment of the entire nation.

user the reason immigrant labour is used in these sectors at the moment is that there isn't British labour to take these jobs. In the case of NHS there's not enough nurses and doctors. And in the case of the wider care sector, you will be particularly looking at a shortage of staff. In the case of agriculture and hospitality, there are not enough Brits willing to take the jobs at the current condtions and salaries. And agriculture can't afford to pay more and improve conditions and still be competitive in the global market. In case of hospitality, guess that's a local thing and not competing internationally, so hypothetically they could give salary rises and just make the customers pay more. But as people are unlikely to want to pay more, and the businesses will still be competing locally, it's more likely that this industry will just start using illegal labour to an even greater extent than today. So you will have the same amount of immigrants, they'll just be illegal instead of legal.

surfer 30/10 10:17
^It is feelings politics - times are changing & people aren't bothered about 'facts' so much. Because 'facts' are always biased & open to interpretation.

& anyway - Brexit has become a new religion, you're either a leaver or a remainer, nothing that gets said will change the vast majority of people.^

We were listening alright, well reading. Cult is a perfect adjective for that ^