To think enough is enough, time to have a re-vote on brexit

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I'm still having problems sleeping with brexit, sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night thinking it was just a nightmare. But its real and with each day it gets worse.

Now the banks are saying they will leave the UK, as we are 80% services and the banks are a very significant part of this it will be catastrophic for the UK economy.

Most of the people i know that voted to brexit now regret their decision so why not have another vote on it?

I'm still quite warm off the smugness of how much brexit has done us all over, even when it's cost me (paid £164 for €160 recently) just so the brexit voters can eat their words too. Really don't want a second vote, want us to all go to hell in a handbasket to teach all those dumb bastards a lesson.

I'm very British in my passive aggression

I think Juncker and co are understandably tiring of the UK. On an emotional level it's like when you get dumped - you hope your ex will have a bit of a shit time and regret their decision. Understandable I would say. Unfortunately I think a lot of leave voters have been lied to in this post truth era where politicians can lie again and again and people accept it. We should not accept it and we should not accept a major constitutional change based on lies. This is about our future and our children's future - it's too important to ignore.

OP
. It's utterly depressing and it's a shame that a lot of people on mumsnet aren't hiding that they have absolutely no knowledge/argument for how a humane society should work and how we are just about fall off a cliff edge. We wouldn't have been here in the jest place if these people had known we are actually walking towards the edge, isn't it?

I'm very British in my passive aggression
I can relate to that after today's news about banks. Someone said on the first page of this thread: you wanted immigrants out?ok.they are going.and taking what was theirs to take. so apt

nikki
The attitude of May and her cronies during the Tory conference compared to her attitude in her EU visit. Her tone was completely different. Don't sweep all Remainers with yourself. Juncker et al ain't angry on people. They are angry on politicians who save their careers and eat their own nation away.

Fuck off and stop whining is hardly intelligent debate or discussion.

In fact, it says everything about the level of intelligence in the Brexit camp as a whole.

YABU. It baffles me that people are still pushing for anti-democracy

""baffles me that people are still pushing for anti-democracy"

Lets have a vote in our sovereign and democratic parliament then eh?

Because did you know that legally, and according to democratic mandate (voted for by parliament) the referendum is advisory. Doesn't matter what Cameron said, or what the manifesto said, or what people thought. Under the terms of democracy its advisory.

Pushing it through using royal prerogative, that's advisory.

anti democratic.

Sorry.

pinky
Referendum was advisory. Hence
"Lets have a vote in our sovereign and democratic parliament then eh?"
^This 100x

To be democratic would be to insist that the people we have elected to Parliament have a vote in response to the advice we have given them via the referendum result.

We could have continued to enjoy the mutual project that has brought peace within our region for the last 70 years. We still do, it's called NATO and it will be 70 in 2019.

The EU in the current incarnation only came into being in 2007 when the Lisbon Treaty was signed, and before that Maastricht. The ECSC didn't come into being until 1951.

To deny that the EU has not helped bring peace is disingenuous.

NATO has changed since its first too.

If this is how little voters understood about how the referendum worked and what was going to happen following it, there shouldn't have been a referendum in the first place.

This.

The point is no-one (and that includes politicians) understands what "leaving the EU" means. There are countries who are not part of the EU but because they want to trade within it who pay into it, have to abide by some of its rules, and even have less control of their borders than we do now. And because they are not part of it have no say in the way it is run

I personally voted to remain because I didn't understand what it really meant to leave and whether it would be better. I would really love to know exactly what someone who voted Brexit thought it meant other than headlines comments like "taking control of our borders".

Thats exactly my attitude netflix

And i am getting so fed up of the anti democracy speech from people who do not have any idea of what democracy is i might just start thinking that people who say it are fuckwits

And i honestly don't care whether they voted leave or remain

Well if not democracy call it something else then - it's just semantics really, people were asked a question in order to make a change, and the majority voted one way. I do realise the impact of leaving the EU, etc, and I too am worried but did you expect it to go "oh we don't like the majority vote, we're going to pretend it never happened" and pull out?

Apparently being happy with our government following through on a vote made my the nation makes me a fuckwit

Nope

Using the word anti democracy when

A) we are following a democratic process

B) democracy means that people can keep whining if they want to

Is making me THINK i should START calling people who use it wrongly fuckwits

So this bit Apparently being happy with our government following through on a vote made my the nation makes me a fuckwit hmm i never said and dont think

You are offended at being called a fuckwit after writing the profound:
it baffles me that people are still pushing for antidemocracy

And i also said that i dont want a re vote

(Well netflix said it and i agree)

But as you say...its all semantics isnt it

birdy

You bad bunny

I never said pinky was a fuckwit

Not ignoring anyone, i am just off out for a few days

I hope we have another ref vote in Scotland. Because I think one of the reasons Scots voted stay was because they had already been through the anger and antagonism of a close ref vote. We already knew what bad feelings these votes stir. So most voted Stay.

I think if the choice is stay with EU or stay with UK we will vote for stay with UK. How may Scots have friends, rellies, in other parts of teh UK, most I suspect.

This point has never been studied or discussed by SNP but, as can be seen by the divisiveness of the Brexit vote, things get quite nasty. I think the Scots didn't want more nastiness so voted stay but surprisingly the vote overall was to leave.

Sorry all. There are no fuckwits here.

(Not even the ones who tell people who are in fear of losing their jobs or homes to 'get a grip')

Smallfox,

To claim the Eu has brought us peace is disingenuous in the extreme. There is no evidence for this. Far more likely that nuclear weapons and mad brought us peace. At least there is logic in this.

still no brexiters outraged that we are getting directly elected mayors despite voting against them in a referendum? I am pissed off that it is apparently perfectly acceptable when its just some scummy northern peoples opinions on mayors, but a matter of democracy itself when it involves brexit.

It's utterly depressing and it's a shame that a lot of people on mumsnet aren't hiding that they have absolutely no knowledge/argument for how a humane society should work and how we are just about fall off a cliff edge. We wouldn't have been here in the jest place if these people had known we are actually walking towards the edge, isn't it?

Since we are all being baffled this above sentiment usually does it for me.

I've seen it time and again in people who are my friends. My tolerant, kind, liberal friends.

Who have suddenly morphed in to people who now truly believe that because they can't understand someone else's thinking that half of the voting public was thick and need telling what is good for them.

It's so fucking patronising.

Understanding that because someone's culture, religion or personal experiences may make someone think differently to you is a noble quality and one I know my friends think they possess.

Until it came down to a vote with our fellow citizens that we lost. They apparently don't deserve that.

I don't believe all leave voters are thick. I believe I can't understand some of their arguments because I don't agree with them, not because they are inherently wrong.

Same as I imagine they didn't put much stock in my arguments either.

I haven't asked leave voters that I know why they voted the way they did because I'm not a dick. They all seem quite happy with everything that's going on though so I find that a bit cheering at least.