To think enough is enough, time to have a re-vote on brexit

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I'm still having problems sleeping with brexit, sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night thinking it was just a nightmare. But its real and with each day it gets worse.

Now the banks are saying they will leave the UK, as we are 80% services and the banks are a very significant part of this it will be catastrophic for the UK economy.

Most of the people i know that voted to brexit now regret their decision so why not have another vote on it?

We're all heading for a disaster, but at least we're doing it democratically. Fucking hurrah for democracy.

I wish people would stop equating a referendum with a general election, they are different beasts altogether.

Larry. It's funny that countries without nuculear weapons can MAD each other. The EU has fostered a sense of cooperation other seek amongst European countries. It might not be the only reason why peace has prospered but it is A reason.

Small,

That is the point of NATO, a nuclear umbrella over all of Europe.

for the doom and gloomers amongst you regarding Brexit this is an interesting blog shock horror, someone who voted leave can actually read

Small,

Why did the 1865 Latin monetary union not yield a peace dividend?

Of course Leavers can read, Balls, we all know they read that £350 million on the campaign busses.

It is clear Brexit is economic suicide for Britain and probably the end of the UK as Scotland will likely leave and I can't even guess what Northerm Ireland will do. It's also likely that any deal we do get with WTO or the EU around trade or immigration will not be what leave voters thought they'd get.

It will also take years of unraveling this when we should be concentrating on more important matters. I think we have to carry on fighting against this. UKIP would have carried leave campaign if they'd lost so nothing undemocratic in remainers doing so too.

We (Parliament) need to stop Article 50 being triggered until we have a deal on the table. After Art 50 you will drop out of EU by default even if there is no deal on table. We need much more certainty before going beyound the point of no return.

That's conflation Larry.

I didn't say the EU was the only reason but to pretend it hasn't helped is disingenuous.

That blog is opinion, not fact btw.

They all seem quite happy with everything that's going on though so I find t
that a bit cheering at least.

Yes, they seem positively full of the joys of spring.

twitter.com/hrtbps/status/785965530633076741

and

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/17/opposing-brexit-should-be-made-an-act-of-treason-punishable-by-l/

and

Fuck off and stop fucking whining because you didn't get your way you fucking whiney fuck.

and with full support

On the side of every bus if they could get away with it

Yup, they're all really shiny happy people looking forward to great things and who all really value the central tenets of democracy.

Agree entirely with Civ it is so fucking patronising the make the assumption that leave voters voted leave because of that bloody bus or because they're racist. Where do people get off thinking they have a superior knowledge about everyone else's opinions? The referendum aftermath has brought out some hideous sides in people in both camps.

I voted remain BTW. And cried when the result came in.

Small,

What is conflation?! To look for historical precedent seems a sensible analytical approach. A lot better than just bringing personal bias to the table and assuming that something you like has come to pass due to the EC.

I could equally say (and many do) that the EC is the cause of anaemic growth in Europe. Is it true? I cannot possibly know, although there is plenty of evidence that the euro has provided a huge growth dividend to Germany at the expense of the poor south. It really has been a Robin Hood in reverse.

I cheer myself up wondering what Mumsnet will look like in 5 years when dickheads like 'shut the fuck up you lost' posters are scavenging in bins because 'lol don't need bankers' and the only thing you'll be able to cling to is the camaraderie and warmth of your fellow countrymen.

Also we currently have an awesome deal under EU membership. We are not in the Euro, we don't have open borders, we get the rebate which is massive, and we are not impacted by justice and home affairs policies. We should be dancing in the streets not Brexiting.

To conflate one set of circumstances with another Larry, if the historical precedent were exact I'd agree.

The EU has only had slow growth since 2008 but I agree that Germany had done far better out of the euro than others.

My prejudice? I've been fairly balanced in saying it's not the only reason. You're dismissing it entirely which is he disingenuous bit.

Genuine question on advisory referendum Assuming the one in 1975 was also advisory why was it ok to act on that but not now?

The 1975 referendum was after we after we joined so it simply supported the status quo. Advisory only means usually followed but doesn't have to be.

One would assume that with such a small majority (within the margin of error) that the advisory point should be very important.

Instead the brexishiteers want to pretend it's an overwhelming democratic mandate.

It isn't.

But we are already in now. We were asked if we wanted to stay in or not?

Tiggy - the EU are playing hardball and saying they won't negotiate a deal until Art 50 triggered but actually there is nothing in Art 50 that says we can't negotiate before triggering it. We should be fighting for a clear deal before triggering the irreversible legal position of Art 50.

Well as it was legally advisory I'd imagine that most people thought such a small winning margin would then be debated by parliamen.

The margin of error, means that because it's a near 50 50 split that the fact that errors are statistically likely to have been made and this calls in to question the mandate for the royal perogative route

The idea if needing, say, 60% is that that is what would be needed for a change. The status quo would need 60% just a min of 40%.