To think enough is enough, time to have a re-vote on brexit

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I'm still having problems sleeping with brexit, sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night thinking it was just a nightmare. But its real and with each day it gets worse.

Now the banks are saying they will leave the UK, as we are 80% services and the banks are a very significant part of this it will be catastrophic for the UK economy.

Most of the people i know that voted to brexit now regret their decision so why not have another vote on it?

ThroughThickAndThin01 That has to be the most tenuous defence of that statement that I've come across . You do realise that Farage et al have since admitted it was a patent mistruth.

MNHQ can this be moved to the Brexit area please?

tiggy - you're right, the economic ramifications were widely discussed in the run up, but Boris did say we could have access to the single market without freedom of work and movement - he was lying because it's not up to him. We were also told we could have the Norway model - again, it's not up to us. Norway doesn't want us to, so that's a no go. Throughthickandthin - you're right to be cynical about politicians' promises (I always am) and you saw through it and realised it was a 'suggestion' - the problem is that many didn't. Many truly believed we could have everything that Boris promised, or that we could have the Norway option. They may have been a little gullible, but they voted in good faith. They were duped. That's why we need to question and question what is happening and we need to stop and think again. I don't want my kids to ask me in the future what I was doing while our country was facing this crisis - a crisis that will have a massive effect on their future - and for me to say 'nothing'. I will continue to question and critique everything that is happening.

Oooh MNHQ

Can we put it to the vote?

I vote not to move it to the brexit topic

Please dont let me lose again

As much as I'd like another referendum, with a different result obviously, I think we have to respect the horrendous result. I still hope London & SE go it alone as its not what we voted for.
This is merely the start of 10+ horrific years ahead of us.

We're fucked

Vlad (may I call you that ) but it's true. It has never been promised to spend £350m on the nhs that I can find.

Oh we just could send the fake amount of money to the NHS. Ah I see. So that's all good then.
Are we just making this shit up now?
How can anyone with half a brain think what's happening is good?
Britain is a largely service economy so when the financial sector starts to relocate in the next few months the impact will be huge.
15 per cent of our GDP is just from the city.
The economy is about to fall off a cliff.
Glad you Brexit people have still got your fingers in your ears though.
Oil is priced in dollars and the weak exchange rate is pushing up the price already and this is before we leave.

Thanks tiggy that's interesting.

I've been getting cross with the "it was only ever advisory" posts when it clearly wasn't put like that to the electorate. It's bollocks to suggest that people thought they were voting in an 'advisory' capacity.

Assuming what you say is correct that makes sense.

Good to see you are free with your insults Mrskeats. Nice.

Remember this? Not a promise at all or a complete lie?
May has already said there will be nothing extra for the NHS
And yes I feel perfectly justified in being angry with people who have voted to ruin our economy and the life chances of my children

It would be almost as stupid to have a second brexit referendum as to have another Scottish independence referendum.........

I apologise if this has been said already but given that the ref was only advisory (despite Cameron giving the distinct impression that it would be treated as an instruction from the electorate that would be followed to the letter!), surely there is nothing undemocratic about parliament saying,

'Ok, we took your advice and went ahead and negotiated the deal. Now, years later, we know exactly what Brexit involves. We would like the nation's current thinking on this please.'

What about Northern Ireland? If we leave the EU we will still have an open border with European. I reallu don't understand why no one is talking about this or is worried about it? IMO it could easily put the peace process back years, and how will it be monitored when at the moment plenty of people freely move from one side to the other daily for work?

This is just one aspect of brexit that makes no sense and hasn't really been discussed. The whole fact we even voted is ludicrous and we voted/vote for MEP's the same way we vote for MP's so the EU gov was ever unelected, the fact the majority of the UK never voted in MEPelections is obviously irrelevant. I am still extremely angry and upset about the whole shambles of a thing.

And TBH being told to get over it, is ridiculous, surely the good thing about living in a democracy is we can say when we aren't happy about a decision.

That poster doesnt promise £350m will be spent on the nhs. It just doesn't. polotical posters are ambiguous by their very nature.

I'm not even going to respond to that it's too ridiculous.

Ok, don't respond. There's an insinuation. No promise. Just like everything in politics.

tiggy - interesting. I hadn't realised all of the details, but what you've said does reveal how unclear all of this was. On the day of the results, I thought we were out - I'd never heard of Article 50 before. It's been a steep learning curve and never before have I been so engaged in politics. I'm learning all the time and need to keep learning and informing myself. Everything I have learnt so far has compounded the fact to me that the referendum was a profound mistake. The EU was not and is not perfect - it needs reform, but we could have worked on this from within, with our neighbours/our friends/our allies - who we have now rejected. We could have continued to have influence within Europe. We could have continued to enjoy the mutual project that has brought peace within our region for the last 70 years. Cameron's gamble to appease his rebels has destroyed all of this. People were unhappy with the situation in the UK and understandably wanted change - but is this really the change they wanted?

A) most people I know had made up their minds long before the campaigns and to be honest didn't take that much notice of them.

I really doubt that bus changed many people's minds.

B) personally I saw that bus as more of a 'Jack you've spent £500 on beans, we could have bought a cow with that'

We probably won't buy the cow.

The EU was not and is not perfect - it needs reform, but we could have worked on this from within, with our neighbours/our friends/our allies

Now I voted remain but I can see why everyone who voted leave goes at this point.

We have tried before, David Cameron even tried with the threat of a referendum looming.

Our friends and neighbours says 'No, like it or lump it.'

You can see why the ones who didn't like it decided to lump it.

That poster doesnt promise £350m will be spent on the nhs

Are you saying that the person who wrote that slogan was not trying to link the idea of spending £350m on the NHS with voting leave?

Are you saying this poster was not an attempt to create the impression that £350 million of public money would be available to be spent on the NHS if the public followed the instruction in the second line of the slogan and voted leave?

Why exactly was the first sentence there, if it had nothing to do with voting leave?

IMO the problem with voting Leave (not that I ever considered it) is that any campaign 'pledges' were made by people who weren't in power and weren't terribly likely to be in a position to carry anything out. So no one really 'promised' because no one was in a position to make such a promise. But plenty of people tried hard to convey the idea that voting Leave would result in that sum of money being spent on the NHS. To suggest otherwise is laughable. And rather sad, because many people took it to heart and voted Leave on the strength of it.

Those Leave voters knew what the writer meant them to think, even if folk are too slippery and disingenuous to own it now.

And the writer knew damn well that money would never be available for the NHS. There's no excuse for that.

It is certainly dishonest and as near a lie as makes no difference.

I voted remain because I wanted it to reform

I was also aware that was unlikely to happen

It felt for me better the devil you know. The more I read up on the EU and issues throughout the EU the more I questioned why we are in it but I still feel as we are so tied to it that's it's better to stay

But I get why leavers roll their eyes

I don't what to have another referendum because so many people have acted really badly as a consequence of this one.

Fine for parliament to debate it, but no more referendums.

EnthusiasmDisturbed those were my thoughts too.