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To think enough is enough, time to have a re-vote on brexit

535 replies

jdoe8 · 23/10/2016 14:44

I'm still having problems sleeping with brexit, sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night thinking it was just a nightmare. But its real and with each day it gets worse.

Now the banks are saying they will leave the UK, as we are 80% services and the banks are a very significant part of this it will be catastrophic for the UK economy.

Most of the people i know that voted to brexit now regret their decision so why not have another vote on it?

OP posts:
UncontrolledImmigrant · 25/10/2016 09:07

Here's a tweet about so called migrants
mobile.twitter.com/jdportes/status/790500230676504576/photo/1

alltouchedout · 25/10/2016 09:25

It would make sense to have a vote when we know what we are voting on. I voted to remain, I want to remain (but have only the tiniest shadow of a hope that that is still possible), but it's still a bit shit to say "wrong result now vote again". I think mps should get to vote it down (unpopular opinion I know but referenda are advisory here, not binding) or we should get a new vote when we have a proper "this is exactly what out will mean" plan.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 25/10/2016 09:49

I would like the option to vote on what we are voting on but this can only be decided by negotiations.

I am not sure other countries are willing to allow the UK this they want to get things into motion there are other issues within the EU that need to be dealt with

birdybirdywoofwoof · 25/10/2016 09:58

Germany used to be pretty racist,

Sigh.

Beating Leavers about the head for racism is naive.

If the leavers are racist, is it naive to say it then?

kirinm · 25/10/2016 10:38

Australian Trade Minister says he has received legal advice against entering into any talks on a UK trade agreement.

It's all looking good Hmm

LurkingHusband · 25/10/2016 10:42

Australian Trade Minister says he has received legal advice against entering into any talks on a UK trade agreement.

For context, this was known 2 months ago.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 25/10/2016 10:43

the leavers

all leavers are racist

no they are not. some are those that have voiced their opinions and racially abused people are but not representative of the leave or many they voted. wanting control over borders is not the same as closing borders

some voters who voted remain that will also hold racist views for many the impact (they likely to have) financially will have influenced their vote not because they believe in borders being open so we can all live in a multicultural utopia

ClaudiaApfelstrudel · 25/10/2016 10:48

not all leavers are racist, far from it - but they put themselves in that box when they voted for what was essentially a racist/fascist movement.

I for one am not going to make excuses for them, it's up to the decent leave people to stand up and be counted now and admit they made a big mistake...huge mistake

birdybirdywoofwoof · 25/10/2016 10:49

Oh I agree, Im just responding to the idea that 'Beating Leavers about the head for racism is naive.'

Of course, not all Leavers are racist and even the racist ones don't see themselves as racist. However, beating leavers about the head for racism is not naive. (It's pretty pointless maybe)

GunnyHighway · 25/10/2016 10:54

We're 6 months on and so many of you are so sure that the uk is fucked with a student level view of the world. We'll be fine once this is all over. The biggest problem we have at the moment it's the uncertainty, when a market is uncertain people don't invest.

Give it time to work. After all the EU has had 40 years.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 25/10/2016 11:00

so not wanting to be part of the EU is now a fascist movement

ffs many are far left voters (not that being far left in your political views means you can not be racist) many middle voters, many tory voters and many labour voters. a fascist party has never gained much support in the UK and from all different cultural, economic and ethnic backgrounds

larrygrylls · 25/10/2016 11:10

The eu is not Europe. We are and always will be Europeans. The idea that being in the same club as the likes of Estonia makes us less racist is ridiculous.

I don't understand why the left don't just think they have different ideas but are better people. Nearly everyone wants the best possible outcome for our country and our children, we just have different views of how to get there.

And it is broadly the left on this thread, together with pure self interest groups.

slenderisthenight · 25/10/2016 11:11

with a student level view of the world

What do you even mean by that? The views here are in many cases coming from professionals who work with these realities everyday. Can you give a rebuttal that actually engages with the points rather than sweepingly writing it off as a student level view of the world?

I never thought there would be so much entertainment value in this thread.

Why is the uncertainty the biggest problem rather than any one of the plethora of problems mentioned?

Are you really so complacent and naive to think that people will want what Britain has to offer, regardless of what it has to offer, provided that there is no uncertainty about it?

What rational justification do you have for thinking things will work out, how do you define fine and what is your time scale? Or are you, as I suspect, a blithering fool?

ChardonnayKnickertonSmythe · 25/10/2016 11:22

I don't have 40 years to wait for he unicorns to land.
I voted Remain pragmatically.
The EU isn't perfect, but things outside will be worse.

MrHannahSnell · 25/10/2016 11:26

Aussie trade minister's advice was based on the fact the the UK cannot enter into trade agreements while a member of the EU - which we still are, of course.

GraceGrape · 25/10/2016 11:31

Give it time to work. The EU has had 40 years.

And a very successful 40 years it has been for the UK. We were the 'sick man of Europe' in the 1970s and desperate to join the EEC. How sad that a lot of those who voted to leave are from the generation that has had the opportunity to benefit most from our EU membership. Of course, they were young back in the 60s and 70s and people tend to have a rose-tinted view of their youth.

Also, how much time do we give it? I hear a lot from leavers about how the next ten or twenty years or so could be tough but it will all work out better in the end. I have my doubts about this anyway, but how totally shit for my children and the rest of their generation who have to grow up and start their working lives in this mess.

paintingisfun · 25/10/2016 11:31

Gunny what do you mean 'when it's all over' what is your timescale? You are like that other poster who claimed that it will all just 'blow over' dear god this could change our country forever. Break up the UK? Do you think that will all be over by next Christmas??

Even if it 'only' takes a decade for new deals etc to be put into place how many people do you think can just hang on for ten years if there are huge job losses and a complete lack of investment in the UK?

paintingisfun · 25/10/2016 11:32

x post Grape re timescales

myfavouritecolourispurple · 25/10/2016 11:37

I don't think all Leavers are racist by any stretch of the imagination. Many voted to restrict EU immigration because they thought we need more from outside the EU. That's not very racist.

Some Remain voters may have taken the view that they prefer European immigrants because they are more likely to integrate than some non-European immigrants. That could be construed as being racist.

larrygrylls · 25/10/2016 11:37

'And a very successful 40 years it has been for the UK. '

And this was all because of the wonderful EU?! Nothing to do with a certain woman called Margaret Thatcher, the discovery of millions of barrels of oil in the North Sea, the big bang in the City etc etc

myfavouritecolourispurple · 25/10/2016 11:40

how much time do we give it? I hear a lot from leavers about how the next ten or twenty years or so could be tough but it will all work out better in the end. I have my doubts about this anyway, but how totally shit for my children and the rest of their generation who have to grow up and start their working lives in this mess

I agree with this. We didn't have a choice with WW2, we had to go and fight to stop a madman taking over Europe and so we had to go with the long-term implications that brought. But we have a choice with this,. Why do we want to wreck the economy for a decade? We live now. Our kids will be growing up and possibly having no jobs and no options to work in other European countries either. Why on earth would we do this,. I said above that I think a lot of people in the EU need to get over themselves. But ultimately it is stupid to sacrifice a whole generation to make a point. I'd say that kids born after the year 2000 are going to bear the brunt of this. Those born from 2010 might be a bit luckier.

larrygrylls · 25/10/2016 11:44

MyfavouriteColour,

I assume, then, that you are against all this carbon emissions stuff. We live now, as you said. Our children would be far better off if we opted out of this tax.

People need to be consistent. Either we are making decisions for the good of our children and grand children or we are making the most of today and sod the long term...

GraceGrape · 25/10/2016 11:44

I don't understand why the left don't just think they have different ideas but are better people.

As a group, those with left-leaning, liberal ideals are more likely to vote against their own personal interest for the good of society as a whole. For example, a lot of Conservative policies make me personally better off financially. I am a working person who does not need to claim benefits for example. I would never vote Conservative however, because I don't like the way they treat the poor and disadvantaged. I would prefer to pay higher taxes if that would help to create greater equality.

Of course I am not saying that all left wing people are better than all right-wing people, but that left wing views in general are about fairness while right-wing views are more about what's best for the individual.

This is all a bit off-topic, I know, but there were many publicised "hard-left" reasons for voting to leave the EU. I'm not convinced anyone who voted for those reasons would be satisfied with what they are currently hearing from TM's government. And there seems to be little likelihood of a true left-wing government any time soon.

larrygrylls · 25/10/2016 11:48

'Of course I am not saying that all left wing people are better than all right-wing people, but that left wing views in general are about fairness while right-wing views are more about what's best for the individual.'

That is how the left try to control the narrative. Right wingers genuinely believe that smaller government and less control is less wasteful and thus leaves more for people to enjoy. In addition they believe equality of opportunity is the important thing, not equality of outcome.

I am not sure either are 'right' but the idea that conservatives are selfish is plain wrong.

winkywinkola · 25/10/2016 11:50

Larrygrylls, it is not a matter of left or right.

Most of my friends and family are firm Tory voters and voted Leave.

Britain is divided and it is far far more complicated than a simple matter of Left wing politics vs Right wing politics.