To think enough is enough, time to have a re-vote on brexit

[jdoe8]

I'm still having problems sleeping with brexit, sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night thinking it was just a nightmare. But its real and with each day it gets worse.

Now the banks are saying they will leave the UK, as we are 80% services and the banks are a very significant part of this it will be catastrophic for the UK economy.

Most of the people i know that voted to brexit now regret their decision so why not have another vote on it?

But people were lied to by the OUT campaign.

I'm assuming you've spoken to every leave to confirm they voted on the basis of lies? When I first heard of the results I was so pleased I was part of the remain camp. Now with these condescending attitudes towards people they don't know I'm actually quite embarrassed to be part of that camp

I voted Remain but am fed up with the EU's posturing now. May says we want to play a full part in Europe until we leave - and a German MEP says there's real anger at her saying that. Why?

If I give notice in my job (and we have not given notice yet) I am expected to do a good job until I leave. And I expect my employer to treat me with respect and pay me until I leave.

I'm not sure I do want us to stay now. You would have thought that the EU would have had a shot across the bows by one of its largest members voting to leave. But no, it just wants to get rid of us and then do more of the same. It is pretty corrupt and it does involve itself in minutiae that it shouldn't be.

If there were to be another vote I would vote Remain again because I would not want to cut my nose off to spite my face. But I am fed up of the arrogance of some EU politicians and officials.

On the other hand, if, after working hard to enact the will of the people, the deal in the table looks really bad, then it would probably be sensible to have another referendum and/or parliamentary vote on it

I do agree with this. However, we have to invoke Art 50 before we can nepgitate (stupid). The received wisdom is we can't change our minds once invoked (might need a European Court of Justice decision on that one). So even if we get a deal the people don't want, we can't change our minds.

Personally I think Merkel and the rest should back down and start negotiations now. May should get her lawyers to ask the ECJ if we can withdraw an Art 50 declaration. And everyone should grow up, stop posturing and remember who elected them.

We've had the anniversary of Aberfan in the last few days - another example of where the elites treated the less well off with disdain. It doesn't ever change.

No I don't want an another referendum, disappointed as I am with the result. However, as Ian Hislop said, losing the referendum does not stop you putting the argument. Which is exactly what Nigel Farage did year after year after year with the opposite argument. So no, I won't shut up but I certainly don't want another referendum.

Sigh. They can't start negotiating without article 50 being invoked. That's the law covered by the treaty.

Elites? Pahahahah

If it can be shown that 52% voted for a concrete, economically feasible plan for leaving the EU, complete with negotiation priorities and a good idea of what people want out of it, I will completely respect that. I have no respect for a vote in favour of something which still does not exist, let alone carries any advantages. There are many interpretations of "democracy" and the UK's interpretation, on the basis of which our country has been run fairly stably and successfully for decades, does not involve unbridled majoritarianism and referenda like this.

And exactly half the countries in the U.K. Voted to stay in, by the way.

Yeah if that had happened there would have been more complaining and fighting for a re run.

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The kind of language May has been using at home was going to come back to haunt her. I am glad someone is treating her with what she asked for. Her language and the xenophobic tone she owned for Tories in that conference was enough for us To hang our heads in shame. Good that someone is rubbing her nose into this. Besides, why should they treat your side with respect that lied to its own people so blithely ? Doesn't make sense to me. Your tone implies that you equate May with UK. I don't.

What happens if the result is still for Brexit though?

I think if the gov't was serious about a second referendum, it would need to be better set up. Firstly, clearly emphasise that it's advisory.

Secondly, "In" or "Out" isn't good enough, this isn't the bloody hokey pokey. There would need to be 5 or more options (In/In on the basis of a defined migration cap/In on current terms / Out only if access to single market is retained/ etc) so that we understand whether there is actually any substantive consensus.

One of the things that came across very quickly after the referendum is that one person's "out" is very different from another's.

Article 50 allows the UK to negotiate prior to it being triggered. We neeed to do that other Brexit would be a leap into the dark which we cannot allow it to be. We need to know outcomes of negotiations before triggering Art 50.

If it can be shown that 52% voted for a concrete, economically feasible plan for leaving the EU, complete with negotiation priorities and a good idea of what people want out of it, I will completely respect that.

Me too.

And exactly half the countries in the U.K. Voted to stay in, by the way.

So an English vote is worth 10% or so of a Welsh vote? Very democratic

We need to force the issue with the EU. Triggering Art 50 on the strength of thin air would be insane. The other members states would see that too so will negotiate. Everything in EU is done by negotiation.

We can't negotiate with the EU till art 50 because everything else would be individual negotiations with member states and nothing can be agreed unless it's ratified by the EU.

You lot really don't know what you are taking about.

I definitely know what I'm talking about. Dealing with Brexit is my day job. I'm taking about negotiation with the other Member States as reps for EU. You do realise that first and foremost the EU is a group of countries working together don't you?

Yet negotiating with Germany for example doesn't mean that what the German government agree to will be ratified.

The process needs to be done officially and that's why they are insisting on it so it's whole EU negotiation. Nothing can be said or even outlined as an agreement till that happens. So negotiating with individual member states is useless.

By the same token they could force us into a shite deal after we are irrevocable committed to leaving by triggering art 50. We have to hope they want a good deal with us too or Brexit is an impossible dream.

The Member States plus the Commission are parties to those negotiations.

Brexit is an impossible dream. Essentially what we want is all the benefits of being in the EU with none of the responsibility, in the end whatever deal we get will be worse than what we had.

Oh and according to the Lisbon treaty we have to declare intention to leave, art 50, before negations start.

I know quite a few people who voted for brexit in the area I live in and they really don't regret it. They would vote the same way in a repeat referendum. Will you accept the same result a second time?