To think enough is enough, time to have a re-vote on brexit

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I'm still having problems sleeping with brexit, sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night thinking it was just a nightmare. But its real and with each day it gets worse.

Now the banks are saying they will leave the UK, as we are 80% services and the banks are a very significant part of this it will be catastrophic for the UK economy.

Most of the people i know that voted to brexit now regret their decision so why not have another vote on it?

It was an advisory plebiscite.

This is a parliamentary democracy.

I didn't agree with the outcome of the vote, but the outcome is as it is. I dont agree that leaving the EU is the best thing for the UK, however, I do think the important thing now is for us to work together to make it the best thing for us.
Holding another vote doesn't scream democracy, and I know full well that if the outcome had been different and the "exiters" were calling for another vote, I'd be thinking they were sore losers.

Well yes, it's a few fanatics who can't stand losing. In a nutshell.

Eh well surfer tell you what we'll only count the votes of those under that certain age.

Remain it is.

Yes, It's not a blip, it's not 'thick' people, it's an absolutely deliberate choice for 'freedom' from foreigners' despite the chaos, unemployment and poverty it will bring.

Also your entire point is fallacious, respect the democratic vote, when the first one was debated and campaigned against for decades.

Hypocritical, fallacious and anti democratic.

Smallfox.
Read tiggytapes posts.

& I'll bet my house they'll be no UKIP type party trying to get us back in. Well there might be, but they'll have about 5000 followers if they're lucky.

Have done. Disagree. Pu ic opinion in the big poll we just took shows basically a 50 50 splot.

Yes. Anyone who refuses to accept the result of a democratic process has control issues.

So because of this vote, we leave the EU regardless of any new information that comes to light?

Measurable change in public opinion against leaving - We still leave.
Public complain the voted on the basis of lies, now shown for what they were - We still leave.
Public start feeling the pain from this decision and move against leaving - We still leave.

So, even if there is strong and measurable public feeling that has moved against leaving (not saying there is or isn't that feeling) we must still leave the EU because not acting on this snap shot of pubic opinion (which may now have changed) is undemocratic?

I voted to leave but wish I hadn't as it looks as though we're headed to a 'soft' exit.

against the abuse directed by leavers against remainers (which is mostly 'you lost, get over it')

You're right, only the densest hair-flicker would think that this sort of thing (in the mainstream media, and by people in positions of civic responsibility):

twitter.com/hrtbps/status/785965530633076741

and

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/17/opposing-brexit-should-be-made-an-act-of-treason-punishable-by-l/

is in any way comparable to the grotesque treatment of Leavers by those ghastly bullying Remainers as seen on this thread.

I mean, this sort of thing actually means "Kindly please be a little quieter in your entirely welcome use of democratic free speech of which I am naturally greatly in favour of":

If you don't like it fuck off and live in one of the many dictatorships that still exist in the world and see how much you like life there.

and

Fuck off and stop fucking whining because you didn't get your way you fucking whiney fuck.

It's cause they can't intellectually justify their argument.

There is clearly a middle position in respecting a poll and never having a poll again. Rushing to have another poll because the plebs have not followed the elite is clearly U democratic. On the other hand, if, after working hard to enact the will of the people, the deal in the table looks really bad, then it would probably be sensible to have another referendum and/or parliamentary vote on it.

Obviously people with authoritarian personality traits are happy to see our economy jump off a cliff.

Agreed Larry

I have three children, half German half British. I did not get to vote. I have had to apply for German nationality because of a vote that I did not partake of resuted in stripping me of my European status. Scotland, N.Ireland and Gibraltar voted to stay in. Only England and Wales voted out. How is that democratic? Referendum are populist - not democratic. democracy is rule by the majority with checks and balances. No vote in Parliament means no checks and balances. The referendum means that on the say so of 17 million people 47 million people are having their citizenship removed and the economy is going into melt down. Again - not really democracy is it? Democracy is voting once every 4 years for aa government you can change. Not voting for economic self destruct based on lies, misinformation and prejudice because the government is incapable of healing the rift within its party and then passes that rift onto society. This is not the world I choose for my children. As a mother, I will fight for the world I want them to live in. One which has jobs, preferably.

If those who want to challenge the Brexit, join the Lib Dems and be a part of creating a mass movement to stop it....

However, although the LDs popularity has increased and there have been some demonstrations, there is nothing like a mass movement within the UK to fight against Brexit. The vast majority either didn't care enough to vote, or voted for it and would still vote out, voted in but accept the result.... Until and unless you can do this, you can't begin to make a credible case for ignoring the result or re-running the referendum.

It was intended to be binding.

But people were lied to by the OUT campaign. For this reason, it should be re-run. However, I can see why it won't be :(

And as if by magic, as I said earlier, employment rights will be hit first. I hope leavers are happy to have minimal protection at work.

They will never admit they've fucked up.

Scotland, N.Ireland and Gibraltar voted to stay in. Only England and Wales voted out. How is that democratic?

Because we are part of one sovereign country, the UK....
Using your argument, how would democracy function? Manchester and Sheffield voted Labour at the last General Election... Should they be able to declare UDI from the UK as a result? If so, what about the constituencies within those cities who voted Tory or LD? Should they be able to declare UDI from the cities? What about the wards within the constituencies etc.

That way lies anarchy!

You can grin all you want birdy of course it offends me. Please point out what was so utterly hilarious about my comment?

You don't have to like the outcome, I don't, but respect the process and result rather than saying "well I don't like it let's try again". Fucking ludicrous!

But people were lied to by the OUT campaign.

Ok, let's take one of the so called 'lies'. If people chose to seize upon the NHS headline as 'gospel' despite,'firstly, all the arguments put forward again and again by th Remain why it wasn't that straightforward, and secondly, despite the fact the 'leave' campaign was a 'campaign' without any ability to deliver on policy, and not a political party, then more fool them!

Also, what about the 'lies' of the remain side... Osborne's budget for instance.